Closed Guess I was banned for being suspected of botting

Character Name: Zach299

Last thing you did: Hunting Lyka

Why do you think you got banned?: GM Muff suddenly teleported to me and asked me to respond to him. I responded several seconds later but he quited the game immidiately. I pm him and smega but haven't got any reply. Several minutes later I was banned.

When hunting lyka I just spam blizzard, I didn't 100% focus on the screen. To be honest when he came just now I used my left hand pressing on space and used my right hand checking the updates on my facebook. Isn't it too harsh if being banned playing like that?

Ban message when attempting to log in: This is an ID that has been deleted or blocked from connection.

What GM banned you (optional): Perhaps Muff

 

You failed to answer me for quite some time, in addition to previously admitting to botting on the same character, in the same map, doing the same exact thing. I didn't ban you immediately but instead watched you to continue doing the same thing in the same map in a different channel. Robotic play is not allowed here.

 

I would like to provide a point-by-point reply here.

"You failed to answer me for quite some time."

I think your team can check the dialog in game. After you said "Hey", "Are you Zach299?", I believed that I responded after around 15 seconds with "Hi", which appeared nearly the same time as you said "If you don't reply I'll have to consider you botting." Then you quitted the game immidiately, I whispered to you and smega, but hadn't received any reply. If you were still monitoring me why not talked to me in game? As I have said, "When hunting lyka I just spam blizzard, I didn't 100% focus on the screen. To be honest when he came just now I used my left hand pressing on space and used my right hand checking the updates on my facebook." I think playing like that doesn't break any rule, and as the rule specifically states below, my behavior is far from "being prompted numerous times without a response over a long period of time". It is only a reasonable delay and will happen to anyone if he or she is checking the mobile phone in the meantime of playing.

Robotic Play - This act will be defined as the failure of a player to respond to a member of staff when prompted and visibly at the controls of their character, as evidenced by actions such as movement or use of skills. In the situation where a player is prompting another player, a response is not strictly mandatory, however a player report in which a player is being prompted numerous times without a response over a long period of time may be considered sufficient evidence for consequences under this rule at the discretion of staff. As such, we strongly suggest to all players to respond to any prompts in order to avoid being portrayed in a manner which may not be true. Please be aware that scripted macro programs which control your character may be considered a game hack and subject to punishment under Major Infraction - 2. Game Hacking.

"in addition to previously admitting to botting on the same character, in the same map, doing the same exact thing."

I NEVER ADMITTED that I botted, my former ban appeal (https://royals.ms/forum/threads/being-banned-suddenly-for-unknown-reason.134454/#post-776419) was concluded as @Mati said

"In future I suggest you choose your words more carefully as what you said to the other person will 100% fall under believable claim, I understand that indeed you might be at your keyboard, but since we can only go off the evidence we have at hand, you will have to serve the 7 day ban."

"No more will be said on this matter, just choose your words carefully next time after your ban expires."

This ban was simply because I used inappropriate words which fell in the "believable claim", and as I have said, "I need to rebuff, make sure the attacks landing, or see if something unexpected happens as mentioned above. You know after 100 attacks the damage will not land on bosses, or the moving of bosses will prevent effective attacks, so it is not possible to be 'away from keyboard'." Actually, It is not possible for me to bot in Obvilion 5, which includes the above actions as well as changing channel to search for lykas.

"I didn't ban you immediately but instead watched you to continue doing the same thing in the same map in a different channel."

It is a bit unclear to me why you said this. When I whispered to you in game and smega, you didn't reply, why I cannot continue hunting? This sentence implies you are pre-assuming that I'm botting, ignoring the fact that botting is impossible here and my explaination on what I was doing when you talked to me. Personally I feel some disrespect from what you said. If you are considering my case from your personal standpoint, you will not believe anything from me.

 

Just to be clear, this is completely false as the evidence Muff collected for this ban never shows you responding.

The ban wasn't "simply" because you said some bad words- they were very specific words about how you used a bottle to attack for you while you went afk.

which brings up the next part, you weren't banned for botting, you were banned for robotic play- both of which are completely possible. Simply saying it's impossible doesn't make it so.

 

Just to be clear, this is completely false as the evidence Muff collected for this ban never shows you responding.

Please check the dialog in game again. At around server time 23:30 (estimated from my timer for lyka) 26/02/2019 at channels 16 or 7 (I didn't remember very clearly at which channel he dropped by yesterday night), I said "Hi?" to all ppls on the map after I saw him appeared around me and quickly disappeared. I whispered to @Muff after I said this, and it turned out that he quitted immidiately so unable to find him. Then I smega a message "@Muff can I continue playing?" (or something close to that but with @Muff first). Note that this is a smega which can be seen by online ppls all over the world. Then I tried to find @Muff in the shoutbox on forum but hadn't received any reply except from a ppl whose name starting with "e" saying that he or she met the same problem and was banned temporarily. I don't know why the evdience collected by @Muff is without my response, but all I stated above is true and can be verified by your team.

The ban wasn't "simply" because you said some bad words- they were very specific words about how you used a bottle to attack for you while you went afk.

I have explained in detail that I'm always on the screen and I have never been "away from keyboard" when bossing. Up to now there is no evdience showing me being "away from keyboard" when continusly attacking. Please verify the in-game dialog again.

 

I checked the evidence, and your ban is justified.

This isn't accurate. After watching the evidence for a minute, despite there being no mobs, you were still casting skills.

 

@Evan @Kai

First, have you verified the dialogs in game and make sure all the conversations mentioned in my last reply are convincing?

This isn't accurate. After watching the evidence for a minute, despite there being no mobs, you were still casting skills.

If you are talking about the lyka when @Muff came, I'm sure my attacks were landed on this lyka. If not, please show me the link of video or tell me the exact time and date to remind me what I was doing. In a very extreme case, maybe I was watching a video on my mobile phone and a lyka went out of control. Even for that there are always obvilion guardians spawned around me, I don't know how could I attack with there being no mobs. Sounds that for me it is still not reasonable to classify my action as robotic playing.

 

We are not obligated to show you our evidence. If you wish, feel free to wait till an admin checks the log to verify your claim. At the moment, you are banned based on what we saw, and recorded.

 

@Kai

Ok I will wait until your team verify the in-game dialog. I have explained what possibly happened if your video evidence holds, while I'm still confused that how could I spam blizzard for 1 min at Obvilion 5 without hitting anything. Lyka is walking above me and I can only see its feet when its hp bar is decreasing. Perhaps from @Muff's view he could not see it?

 

It has been 3 days since your last reply, therefore I'm here to remind you that you haven't answered my two questions yet.

1. Has an admin verified the dialogs in game and make sure I replied to @Muff when he teleported to me? If so, I seriously request @Muff to make a formal explanation on why my reply was not included in his "evidence". I will take a series of actions to defend my rights in this game based on his explanation.

2. You claimed that "I spam blizzard for 1 min at 'Time Line: Road to Obvilion 5' without hitting any mobs" ("After watching the evidence for a minute, despite there being no mobs, you were still casting skills."). I believe that this is impossible in the knowledge of anybody who has been to Road to Obvilion 5 in this game. In case you don't know where Lyka is, I remind you that Lyka will respawn at the middle platform right above the middle stage. At the time when @Muff teleported to me, I was on the second stage, and he was on the left side of me standing on the bottom platform (2 stages below me). @Muff could not see Lyka from his view, hence I'm not sure whether this is "what we saw, and recorded" from your perspective. I hope you can make a good explanation on this "evidence".

 

You need to be patient- the website was down for a day and the admins have multiple responsibilities.

As for the second- he isn't saying there was literally no mobs, he's saying you sat there casting, continually, even if there were little-to-no mobs to be hit and not responding to the GM --> the part of interest here.

I am locking this till an admin can reply. Please be patient.

 

No.

In order not to be further suspected of robotic play after my former temporary ban, I use my finger or fist when bossing.

 

I guess you have checked the in-game dialog now and know the exact time between the question "Are you Zach299?" and my reply. In my impression, it shouldn't be "more than 1 minute", but now the evdience is on your hand and you "are not obligated to show your evidence". It forms a loop which can be used as evidence for any of your statements. Anyway, we can lay it aside first since I don't like to suspect anyone before the evidence is clear.

Let's suppose I made the reply after one minute. I have tried my best to explain that I was checking my facebook when @Muff came, if you want more details, this time period included watching some interesting short videos that my friends posted on facebook. I think it makes sense for any rational person. From your last reply, despite you believe that I was at present on my screen, you don't believe this is a reasonable time delay. I'm trying to be objective, but I'm still confused that why you believe if I hold the key by myself, I would be able to respond to you in a shorter time, while if I used something other than my fingers, it took longer. This completely depends on the length of new contents and those short movies on my facebook, not my playing style. Again, I want to emphasize that "In order not to be further suspected of robotic play after my former temporary ban, I use my finger or fist when bossing.". I don't know why not paying attention to this game results in a permanent ban, synthesizing all the information above and the fact that you closed this thread in such a hurry, I can only make the following two conjectures. Either:

(1) You deeply pre-assume that I play robotically, hence you are unwilling to make logical reasoning and find evidence to show my innocense.

or

(2) You deliberately procrastinate the processing time, and are unwilling to admit your mistake on permanently banning me.

Feel free to lock this thread or delete my post if you cannot response to my challenge. I have a clear conscience, why do I beg you? I will write a farewell to my friends and memories here and leave.

P.S. @Kai From #6, it seems that you are not familiar with the position of Lyka, hope my ban appeal will let you know that.