Is there a way to determine low lying RWTers?

We all assume RWTers buy high stat equip and therefore have questionable funding within a short period of time. That seems to be too easy to figure out and therefore most bans we see are of that sort.

What about those who lay low? Those who are lazy to farm and don't choose to join the big ranks immediately? There are some questionable players out there who are so inactive on forums. Forum activity is not defined by how long you've been on and around but rather how you're engaging it. There are some players out there who, I obviously won't mention, have no selling activity on forums. I've asked around what they're mages IGNs are and welp, I've never seen them smegaing leech or around voodoos.

I've known players who are farmers and active bossers but lets get real. Bossing every day won't make you as rich as a farmer. I've done both, I know both. Bossing as an excuse that u're funded is legit just trash in this current state of the game.

I have no proof. But if it's suspicious, u can just smell it.

 

lol i agree. my drk loses money every boss run i go to for some fked up reason

most of my money comes from grinding on my mage while leeching my nubs or getting lucky in gach.

 

But what about gift story?
-edit- what I mean in the big picture is that the reality is people may just hit a good chaos streak(s). Hard work can bring you up there, but so can good luck. Two people may be able to gain the same amount of weath with (significantly) less effort.
Also, the obvious signs of rwt is when people just start and do not have any means of acquiring the chaos scrolls to start rolling, but magically begin popping out cs-ed equipment. Anything after that really is open to the brutal rng of this game. I feel like there's way too many factors to consider... But yes I understand what you mean as well.

 

Yea this is another questionable move, but this act triggers me less since there exist people who quit and genuinely gave their friends items. It's hella good excuse for a RWTer tho. How does one get caught for it, that i do not know. Sad story

 

I love a phrase sparky mentions all the time.

There is no such thing as coincidence.

 

Or well maybe the sad reality is that there's simply not enough manpower to comb through every 'suspicious' player kek

 

Only way to tell is if people around them actually care to report the suspicions they feel.

Staff are hard working to detect unusual ones out there but they don't work 24/7. Majority of the community, especially the veterans don't give a crap as long as they aren't directly affected. E.g where they are outbidded by one.

It becomes rather obvious when someone RWTs for the first time. No matter how they try to cover it up, it's extremely difficult for humans to completely hide their emotions. I have not met a single RWT buyer (banned and still alive) who stayed dead quiet after they acquired godly end game stuff because it defeats the purpose of RWT. They cheat and pay money for pixels so they can brag to unseen people on the other side of the screen. What will they do with pixelated equips if no one looks upto to them and say "Damn you are so strong". Only reason they are still alive to this day is because those around them never cared to report it early enough but pushed the thoughts aside so they can jam with "strong" and cool peeps.

If you are from 2017 and reading this, ask your selves how so many elites suddenly popped out of unexisting oven after HT got fixed. Some of those people still live to this day. How did they acquire so much fund to hp wash their attacker characters without leech story yet still buy/scroll decent gear FROM THE BEGINNING. Using HT as an excuse is bullshit because half the runs are forever dry and there aren't enough HTP buyers to take every run. Those who worked their way up would know how much effort it takes before one can successfully run HT to make a proper income. There are bunch of people out there who still get rejected from HT parties because their range isn't good enough after years of playing.

Don't look at the amount of hours your friends spent inside bosses. Question their "starting fund" because psychology of these so called "smart RWTers" is to skip the most difficult early phase of the game (starting from scratch) and jump straight to the fun, respected end game phase. Once they reach that phase, they will "work" hard to establish an alibi but comeon, is that really considered hard when you already constructed a golden foundation without effort?

So how do we catch these underdogs?
When people (everyone) actually care about the server's durability and stability instead of their own comfort and benefit, we as a community will be able to repel even the underlying RWTers or reduce the scale of their activity to a point it barely has an effect in the server. Till then, it's upto staff to grind their night shifts in order to catch them manually ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ .

 

Welp. Equip droping disable.

Check every suspicious trade and ask them.
If they cant explain why they got a perfect sleeve for nothing - bann hammer.

RWT is really annoying..
10$ for just 1 b...
Makes a perfect sleeve pixel 500$ worth... Wtf... You could better spend all those money on food or undertake a women for a nice dinner...!

Come on guys use some brain....

You could even get sex for that money

And Nooblords are weak anyway... So dont mind in a sleeve

 

I appreciate the effort y'all are making as community members to "maintain durability and stability of the server" but to suggest everyone should be joining this bandwagon is hideous. Not everyone plays this game for the sole purpose of upgrading gear and comparing to everyone else, there are actually players who enjoy spending their time hanging out with friends, doing random PQs for the sake of interacting with others, questing or grinding to take their mind off the complexities of real life, you name it.

You are free to choose how you play the game, and there is nothing wrong with taking your royals life more seriously than others do, but at the same time you do not have that right to impose the way you play your game upon others.

And in before someone gives me the "RWTers ruin economy" argument - a free market economy is volatile to begin with. There are top tier players in this game who hold hundreds of billions worth of assets in this game who have the ability to cause significant shifts in the economy should they suddenly choose to quit; are we going to tell them they're not allowed to do so because the economy will be affected? I started playing this server at a time when AP resets were 16-17m and am thankful for the fact that I'm not averse to playing mages, leeching and farming as a way of playing the game. Not everyone has that luxury I guess and whilst I am sympathetic towards the new players who struggle to fund themselves of AP resets, gear and money to advance further into the game, I think this will inevitably pose an issue regardless of what the economy is like. Moreover, is the server really that friendly towards new players anyhow? How many of the so called 'veterans' / 'high-range players' actually willing to PQ and boss with those that can only single client and are still in the middle of improving their gear?

If the intention is to turn this community into an elitist mess that can only exist to scrutinise and judge others based on the pink critical numbers that they can produce, then I'm afraid I can't agree. I acknowledge the potential impact that RWTers create among us and support the effort from staff who work hard in finding and banning them. However, I don't think this game should be revolving around going into Sherlock mode and finding RWTers for anyone playing it and certainly not for everyone playing it.

Anyway, those are my 2 cents and I don't intend to be hostile so apologies if it comes across that way. To put it simply, I enjoy this game for what it is and sincerely hope you do too. RWTers exist in this game, but they don't have to be part of your game.

 

Gifting and inheriting is always going to be questionable. Even an established player can illegitimately sell off their items to a "friend" and just call it giving. But the most obvious cases are the ones when a person is handed off top level items from someone unestablished. While there are legitimate cases of people working together/getting lucky, sparky went into detail that frequency and time are always considered.

Its no secret I take the rwt matter on this server very seriously because I've seen the peak of it and I practically quit at one point because of it. Some people may tell me, why let it bother you? To add to this, I've had friends that I knew since starting here get banned for rwt and saw the impact it made on the server around 2017. Alot of it disgusts me because I was very active at one point and to see people achieve your work using just $$ goes against my personal and core gamer beliefs. Just look at the whole microtransaction deal going on within the gaming industry.

I don't encourage people to play detective and everyone should try to enjoy the game however they like, but it shouldn't be too much to ask to blow whistles and such when needed to promote the health of the server. From my experiences, alot of this pessimism on rwt is justified and that should tell anyone this is a problem that can and will escalate if given free reign.

 

hear hear~

The purpose of this thread is to let people know that RWTers don't only come in the form of having godly equips fast. They can creep up oh so slowly that they avoid suspicion. If you know of a lazy fella who seems to be racking up decent equips out of nowhere, please turn them in.

And this is to the GMs, I am in no way discrediting your efforts to maintain the server, but do you guys take reports with zero hard evidence and only pure deductions as seriously as those with some evidence?

 

I appreciate your view. I'm glad you spoke from your perspective because it is a view shared by many in the server and although I cannot blame you, with no rights, this is exactly why RWT can never disappear completely from this game, as long as there are people who condone it (to a point where you don't care about it). As you shared, there are many alike who aren't as serious about this game. As long as you can have fun in the server, which is what you came for, these "serious" issues hardly ever affect you.

This thread was created by someone who's concerned with the negative impact RWT (quiet ones) is causing on the server. He questioned, "How do we find them?". I replied with the only possible option which involved everyone's effort. It is still not executed because of the reasons you stated. This is where this thread comes to a stalemate because we know what needs to be done but it's not feasible due to the aforementioned reasons. Now it's up to the community to decide their future actions.

Spoiler: PS

This is kinda off topic but I just wanted to answer.

About veterans not helping out newbies... It is an unfortunate truth that the majority of older players are not all friendly but I don't get where the expectation is coming from. When I joined royals, as a newbie, I joined bossing parties with fellow newbies and struggled with them, spending 2 hours for 1 zak run, spending 40min just to find an exp run that'd take me. One NL rage quitted on me because I wasn't zerking and I was cussed many times because of frequent deaths. I didn't complain at the veterans tho because it seemed like a natural progression that a newbie would go through. I don't understand why newbies expect help from veterans as if granted? Not every newbie HAS to run HT as soon as they hit lvl 155 or zak at 135, or speed run LPQ with gen spamming bishop? I don't think royals has reached a depressed population where newbies can't run PQs or Bosses without veterans?

In case you might think I'm hostile toward newbies, since the day I joined royals, I've been running a Korean guild aimed to help newbies with the language barrier and game knowledge. I've run countless solo zak to give free zhelms and emptied my wallet and storage to help their progression- for 2.5 years.

 

@TheChicky this sounds just like me

 

Generally I see veteran players being unfriendly with noobies, unwilling to party with them and the noobies going through what you experienced in your post. Sure I acknowledge that theres probably a few that do their best to help newer players, but it seems like veteran players pretty much only stick to their own kind and don't want anything to do with new players at all. And note of course this is only my anecdotal experience from coming up as a noob and seeing this happen to other new players around me. This is understandable though, who wants to spend 2 hours in zak, 3 hours in horntail?

You must have x amount of health, y amount of range to do this boss. It's a struggle for newer players to go through these steps and perhaps that may be a reason that some of these players RWT? They probably don't want to go through the tons of hours spent on leeching just so they can have access to certain content.

This might be a stretch, but perhaps the attitude the community has towards newer players is what causes some RWT. Of course, it's only natural for players who are stronger to only want to boss with people who are just as strong as them and do content with one another, I'm guilty of this as well. I'm not sure if I see a realistic solution for this, I guess it's just the way the game is.

 

I think an interesting aspect about rwt that I rarely see people talk about is to what extent the server is reliant on rwt. I mean this not only in terms of playerbase but also economy wise. I think it's quite safe to assume that most of the sellers are very wealthy and I'm not sure how the market would react to removing such vast amount of wealth from circulation.

Honestly I don't think this is a healthy direction to go in. Further restricting the game and access to the game would surely do more harm than good. Forcing new players to upload personal information just to register? I mean really?...

 

does this mean murderers get thrown to the back?

 

Back on topic, this is basically it. Well said. The first step is always the hardest, and that's where people buy out. But

Spoiler

if you knew how things work here you wouldn't buy out expensive gears and massive amounts of cs/ws to start funding your 20k washed nl,you'd start small and chances are not be caught. - ahem- But that's RWT too. I'd say even just 3 cs's would be enough to make life a hell lot easier. My question is, how do you spot the latter?

 

Can assure you they do.

 

"I should get unbanned soon. I appealed "
-- @Don

 

@Don is reading this Mia as a norma viewer, he said his interested with the S word, he asked do you offer too?