Adding Mu Lung Dojo Board to Towns.

THANK YOU finally one of the few people who understands me! i am trying to look out for what is best for the commmunity long term. and everyone is just trying to take the easy way out and benefit themselves

 

I am directly quoting you "I suggest you add some warps to make movement around the map easier" This is what you said about warps inside of clock tower. You said it's making it easier.

Stop saying you're trying to make it viable. It IS viable currently. They haven't changed from their state when they were primary training maps. They are just as viable as ever. Other things becoming better than them doesn't make them no longer viable.


Can a player still go to Grims and train/level up with just as much ease as they could back when Grims was a primary training map? Yes
Can a player still go to Grims and make mesos with just as much ease as they could back when Grims was a primary training map? Yes

You would have to be arguing that these deep tower maps were NEVER viable, and that is disproved by the fact that it was once a primary location for training. Since no changes have been made to them, they are just as viable as ever before.


Is a fully functional 1990 Civic no longer viable/feasible because a better, more efficient 2019 model of Civic came out and people prefer those instead? No, but that is what you are saying.


Nostalgia would apply to the features available during v30, and then change to be applied to the featured during v62 should the server switch versions. The type of nostalgic game play is directly related to the version which the game is being played because each version differs significantly. The nostalgic features of v30 are not the same as the nostalgic features of v62. On a v62 server, the nostalgic memories of v30 are meaningless, but the nostalgic memories of v62 are of significance. On a v30 server, the nostalgic memories of v62 are meaningless, but the nostalgic memories of v30 are of significance.

 

Yes, it's making the movement around the map easier. I'm glad you can read. It is not making the game easier. If anything, it's making the game more difficult because it would make it harder to find a party. This server has grossly overpopulated maps (the ones in Singapore, for example).

If the Ludi maps were balanced in such a way that they were still less efficient than other options, that would increase the difficulty of the game for anyone that chooses to go there instead of Singapore.

 

Moving around a map easier doesn't make the game easier

But moving to a Dojo Hall easier makes the game easier


Lmao I am like lmao

 

Just for the record, when did I say I cared? I don't care about what the original game does. I don't play the original game. Nexon ruined the original game.

So, because I brought up an example of this EXACT idea working and failing, it does not belong in the thread? Anything you disagree with doesn't belong in this thread, am I right?

Oh wow, you got me there. I made a suggestion to improve something in the game. I didn't realize that it's forbidden to do so. The fact that you have to even say that I was "exposed" really shows how closed-minded you are. Again, you're bringing up the same point over and over again like a record on repeat. I don't care about what GMS had or didn't have. I will say again that I think it's stupid to modify a server just for the sake of nostalgia and not for the sake of improvement. You two are the only ones making this argument.

It's quite depressing actually that you need further explanation. I have already provided you with one, which you actually even quoted. So.. I don't really have anything to say.

 

in my previous comment, i said to you. "you are proposing for this change because you are too lazy to go there. correct me if i am wrong"
so you correct me by saying i should type like a normal person and everything i said is incomprehensible as usual? that does not seem like a discussion at all. but anyway I would like to sum up about this dojo topic and summary about your comment.
if you are saying Ludi pq is different, you are wrong. (please correct me with actual facts and keep it civil if i am wrong, if you are going to say something dumb again like "i should type like a normal person". then dont reply to me.
this topic is about adding mu lung dojo to towns right? and you want to add only this mu lung dojo pq to town just like the real server. But the real server had 1 NPC that allows you to teleport to every PQ. (including Ludi pq). so yes I believe ludi PQ is same as mu lung dojo PQ and it is great example to compare to.
Ludi pq is actually a closer distance to travel to, when comparing to Dojo PQ. every PQ has its own objective. people from level 35-50 do it for exp and higher level people may even do it 35 times for the glasses. and people in dojo PQ have to do it many times until they get enough points for the belts. ( i am assuming you need to do dojo pq for the belt and thats fine. People have objectives in ludi pq too Just like you doing Dojo PQ. In fact, Ludi pq have been hard to find parties alot of times and i have never seen anyone complained in the past 5 years of playing maple royals.
Lets compare the travel distance (maybe for anyone who doesn't know)
Ludi PQ - you travel from ellina boat to obris, which is about 25minute. then you need to travel from obris boat to ludi, which is another 20minute = 45minute (estimate)
Mu Lung Dojo PQ: you travel from 1 boat to Obris which is only 25minute. then you just take the bird to Mu Lung , which is 1 minute = 26 minute (estimate)
so Ludi pq is 19 minute less to travel to. and there are many times that there was no one there. People are not able to complete their objective (do 35 times for glasses). and yet i have not seen anyone say add pq to towns during my 5 years of playing.
the original server had 1 NPC that can teleport to EVERY PQ from towns. you said you wanted to change it the same as original server, but you only want Mu Lung dojo? not other PQ?
I dont know about the original owner post: kakashi603. He could be suggesting to add mu lung dojo to town because he wants to join parties and encourage more player to do it. but YOU. i can bet you all my mesos, you are only supporting this because YOU just want easy way out. you don't care about parties, you will teleport to dojo PQ from towns and solo it for belt and leave. am i right?? (please correct me if i am wrong). Again if you are going to say something dumb like "i should type like a normal person". then dont reply to me.

 

For the second time now, you are wrong. I told you that the first time and you just didn’t listen.

I already asked you to cite where I posted in support of this idea earlier and you dodged that real quick (I never did). I’m simply pointing out your flawed arguments against it. Personally I don’t dojo or have any interest in doing so no matter how convenient or where it’s located. Stop assuming things and learn how to communicate like a normal person. The only thing dumb is you living in a predominantly English speaking country yet being unable or to speak the damn language. Maybe invest your time in some communication skills instead of wasting it on incomprehensible arguments about a maple story private server.

So since you just bet all of your mesos on me “looking for an easy way out” and were disproven (I can screenshot my belts/dojo points), are you going to stick to your word and pay up? Let’s see you put your money where your mouth is hot shot.

 

So you're just going to tell him he's wrong without anything to back it up? He made a lot of great points and all you did was tell him that he can't speak English. You're toxic and not willing to contribute anything to the discussion but negative and hateful comments. I love how you mock him for participating in "arguments on a maple story private server" when you're the person initiating them. This forum is for the civilized discussion of suggestions, not to be a degenerate hypocrite.

 

hater is going to hate >< by the way the comment from @ilyssia was really good 0.0 i was shooked haha

 

Uh, he asked me a question and told me to tell him if he is wrong....so I told him that he is wrong. What more needs to be said?

"You are proposing for this change because you are too lazy to go there. correct me if i am wrong"

He is wrong. I am not proposing for this change. I am not 'too lazy to go there'.




If you can't speak a certain language, yet you insist on arguing in that same language, your priorities are out of line- you should instead spend the time you would use arguing on learning the language itself. Does that not make sense?


Calling people a degenerate isn't conductive to this 'civilized discussion' you are preaching about. Again, further showing your inconsistencies. Really gotta work on practicing what you preach if you want to be taken seriously.

Are you going to give me all of your mesos since you lost that bet?

 

how did i lose bet if you showed no proof no arguement no nothing? All u said is i am wrong. period. and then u insult me with paragraphs.
This man is weird weird. i do not wish to speak to you anymore lol have a great day.

 

Reading comprehension not your strong suit either?

A direct quote from you:
"i can bet you all my mesos, you are only supporting this because YOU just want easy way out. you don't care about parties, you will teleport to dojo PQ from towns and solo it for belt and leave. am i right?? (please correct me if i am wrong)."

I have already replied to this and asked you to cite where I posted in support of this idea....twice. You have chosen to ignore it. I will repeat now, for the third time, this time in its entirety: I have not posted in support of this idea. I do not use Dojo. I have zero Dojo points and no belt (I have also offered to show proof of this, which you ignored as well). I do not teleport to it from towns, I do not solo it, and I do not have any belts (my old golden pig one expired).

Every single thing that you said has been corrected above, and you were wrong in every last example. Additionally, the funniest part is that I actually *hate* solo play in bosses/training, and I routinely SMega things like "R> any job/level for X boss or X map grinding" just so I can have somebody (or multiple if I actually get that many whispers) with me for fun. I routinely go without HS, offer them the drops, and would have a fucking blast in a party of 6 without HS at even the lowest EXP of level 100+ bosses. I love the nostalgic 'party play', grinding instead of leeching, bossing in huge parties (back when HT first came out on gMS we would go with a full expedition list and I loved every second of it), and focusing less on EXP/mesos earned and more on enjoying the game I grew up dreaming about every night as a kid. I am the exact opposite of what you assumptively implied I am.

Now pay up sucka

 

I didn't include it in because I think it doesn't add substance to your point. If you strongly insist on wanting us to see the big picture with the Orbis ship, I have created a travel map without the Fast Pass system.



As you can see, Mu Lung itself is very isolated from the world, combine it with the fact is not a very popular training ground and not a good detour for anywhere. If you recall the original poster's intention was to increase the number of participants that comes to Dojo. Since the chance of meeting someone going to Mu Lung is already so small in the first place, even if this change is implemented, you will not notice any drastic changes of the number of players you will meet at all.

Let me reiterate my point again, my suggestion is about making Dojo more accessible to more players and I have never mentioned about adding more fast travel options. Having more boards don't allow you to instantly teleport to Mu Lung from anywhere because Dojo is own separate location, once you exit the Dojo you will return back to your original location similar to the Free Market, so is not a shortcut to Mu Lung. There is no one in this thread asking or suggesting for more options to travel to different places faster. The only one who keeps bringing up this idea is you. Unless you want to consider Carney's might as well statement. The point you are constantly trying to highlight is about the implementation of Fast Pass System/ Teleporting Rock, which has very little to do about the accessibility of Dojo.

"if this mu lung dojo board approves (i dont support it) mighht as well put all other pqs in town ( ludi pq, obris pq. anywhere that u need to travel to u lazy people... "​

I think this point you are trying to make that by allowing this suggestion to pass will open a floodgate to ''unnostalgia'' changes to the server is unsound. As you have already mentioned yourself that everyone's version the ''nostalgia'' is vague and subjective. Therefore, I have never brought up ''nostalgia'' in any of my suggestions as I feel such discussion are often unproductive and sometimes turns into your version vs my version, I link an example of one such conversation below.

If I was using the ''Nostalgia'' card, I would instantly bring up the concept of Mirror of Dimension, which makes PQs lobby accessible in all towns. In case anyone wants to make a claim is not ''nostalgic'' at all or say they do not remember this, I would like to remind them that the Mirror was introduced in GMS Version 0.83 which is what the current server is base on and it came way before Ulu City (Version 0.91).

Spoiler: My nostalgia vs your nostalgia

Besides, you don't have to guarantee this to me as there are already players suggesting to have ''unnostalgic" changes or implementations, independent of this suggestion. Is up to the Staff and Community to kindly remind to such players what is the limit and why we can't just simply do that. Below are some examples I dig up of players already suggesting such changes.

1. Increasing level cap to level 250
2. Making elixir purchasable from NPC, lowering the cost of potion
3. Introducing PvP
4. Making Balance Fury rechargeable in all location
5. Removing Zakum Jump Quest​

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I don't have the time to properly respond right now but I appreciate the effort you put into your post. I'm not against the idea of a dojo warp in particular, I just feel like there are countless other things that deserve attention and this is something that the fast travel system makes redundant.

I think this feature would be perfect if fast travel didn't exist or was modified. I know a lot of people probably won't agree with making changes to the fast travel system but I think it's completely unnecessary to have both. This change would make a lot more sense in a game without fast travel or where fast travel was expensive. Then we could have warps for all PQs while still encouraging players to take the ship once in a while.

 

The Mu Lung Dojo bulletin board existed in every town on Victoria Island since v0.75, nostalgia isn't even a valid argument against this.