So as some people who may know me have noticed, I haven't really touched the game recently because I've been excessively bored with nothing to do. I want to suggest that there be a new method of training for people who do not have access to bishops because for people like that (me), skeles is not a feasible option and the only other place really is BF which honestly don't exist anymore due to the insane monopoly on them. Otherwise there's anego which I can survive but not kill at any effective rate... The only way my suggestion can be made a reality is by wz editing or updating. If we are open to the wz editing idea, then we should make many new training maps, and make the mobs/bosses difficult with high hp / high exp but at a rate where the are not too fast or too slow. For example, a HH or substitute mob/boss which gives maybe 1,000,000 exp and has 4,000,000 hp? So that's if each one takes 5 minutes to solo 15 mil exp an hour which is a decent rate. Anyway, that's a very raw suggestion but it's just the idea. I hope you strongly consider this because it's just not right with how it is now. I want to be able to play without depending on bishops and as I have no real access to one, I can't play.
I agree with you to a certain extent. however you're making it sound like Skeles is impossible WITHOUT hs. Or a mage for that matter. I know several people who duo/solo skeles without a mage/hs. This is a 10x server, you shouldn't really need hs. Don't get me wrong, it is a NICE thing to have, but you shouldn't depend on it.
I like the concept of the suggestion, but it's definitely very rough. I was just free balling and thought about the possibility of using WZ editing to make skewed interesting and to encourage non-Mage classes to actively participate at skeles in partnership witha Mage by adding a custom mob/boss with high hp at the bottom of the skele map so that while the bishop or arc Mage is AoEing the top two rows, attacking classes have an interesting challenge that provides a decent amount of exp and also hurts those who just leech themselves. Also, who has the monopoly on BFs? o.o
Boss PQ? and is apq Amoria pq? o,o I agree but there's an extremely substantial difference with having a bishop, it's a very skewed competitive advantage. I can train at skeles allone but firstly, I gain less exp per mob alone, secondly, I kill less mobs by myself so that speaks for itself. Let's be honest, there's nothing in hell that's more boring than grinding at skeles, especially if you do it alone and facing the disadvantages that come with doing so, it's not very appealing; I play MS for the fun, not for a ridiculously uphill boring grind. I don't know, by monopoly I mean the individual entity that is everyone but me. It's been over a week and a half since I've seen a BF and that's my main mode of training.
APQ being Aqua party quest which is a custom party quest to this server, which includes pianus with like 5 billion hp for 150+ (used to be released but was closed after a week) It was not balanced well. Well make a bishop class then? If your answer is "they are too boring", then that is the advantage of having a class which grinds slower is that you can do bosses and is funner, ect. If you wanna play an interesting class, then you should have to earn it, e.i. exp is harder to obtain. Why not try killing other bosses like Pianus for exp? Pianus gives 10% at 150. I don't have a bishop and i'm 196. It's been fine for me. But of course I HAVE had bishops to grind with when i go to skeles, but on that topic, i'm hardly at skeles. Why don't you try befriending a bishop/joining a guild with a bishop. Well then you haven't been looking properly, I have no problem finding 3-8 bigfoots a day at almost anytime I want to. And why not try Crow?
Maybe I don't play enough or I just have no luck because it's been a long time since I found bosses sitting around and I do an entire BF and pianus search and find nothing. Of course but I'm talking about the handicap people who blend in with the crowd face; being a guild leader of a strong guild and being able to make a zakum run at will, it's easier for you to take advantage of those things, but all I'm saying is that for others who blend in and don't have all the associations, it's not as easy to get anywhere with an interesting class. Yeah, I've done that but I haven't found anyone who wants to leech since level 120-127 with a bishop. Most people at those stages find that it's better to leech themselves. I look in all 5 BF maps through all channels. Maybe I'm just extremely unlucky? All this suggestion is stating is that there isn't always going to be a bishop training partner market for everyone and there should be an alternative. I'm not as concerned with myself anymore, I can stay at my level forever for all I care (I'm honestly not fused), it's just that people around me have vanished because of the inadequate considerations made for their classes as solo grinders/trainers. For me I'm in a midway dilemma where I just miss the more social times and those were at the earlier levels. You can't prepare for the steepness of a solo 125-200 and most don't and hence lose interest after realizing they can't find a bishop to train with and it's too boring otherwise. So just to clarify, this is not a thread about my own utter need to level at a decent and consistent rate, it would be nice, but it's about the rest of the community around me and most of it vanished. Maybe not everyone feels the same way but I'm sure most people have seen a lot of people quit and I know for a fact (many of my friends told me), that it was because of that aspect and the gameplay experience that comes with it. 10x doesn't really justify it, the 1x gms at the time was at a rate where you could take a year or 2 years to get to level 120 for a casual to consistent gamer; I got to 85 in 2 years... so people aren't looking for that. 10x is obviously 10 times faster, but it is simply in proportion to the rate people expect for an enjoyable gameplay, and based on the nature of this game, the competitive edge is lost when a single class can hold such an immense advantage over all others. It DOES need balance and you can see that by the disappearance of non-bishop classes and domination of non-bishop classes with bishops. Anyway, I've suggested this enough. I'll leave it here once and for all.
Bf and Pianus both have 24 hours respawn rates, which is probably why you are having a hard time, unless you know around what time of day they respawn. However by checking ALL eight maps at any time of the day i seem to find atleast 3 stranglers. BUT THIS is only if you check the non-TP maps swell. & being in a certain guild is their own decision, if they want to zakum, then they should join a guild that can. There are currently 4 guilds that can zakum (including the one you are in). To me maple is all about associations, as it is a community based game, so if you don't have ANY associations, I can see why you/they don't have much motivation. This is where I agree with you, v62 is a heavily BISHOP OP oriented version. Which is why i voted for the change to v83, however bishops are OP oriented IN 83 ASWELL! (I want v83 for - 80/20 leech, elemental wand negative buff, ect) maybe not as much, but they still are, and it is a reality you have to live with. You just have to look at the negatives of being a bishop. They might grind fast, but there are various things they cannot do. However if we do stay in v62 i do not agree with an alternative, as v62 should be played as v62 was played. Like our motto it should have nostalgic mobs, WZ edited Headless horseman mobs would ruin the game for me. I'm looking forward to BPQ to close the bishop - other class gap.
I live in GMT +10. I've seen you on in my time and you would probably know it's dead too; around the time I post this is usually my normal time to play whereas it's bed or school for others. I guess that's my lifelong dilemma called Australia and I agree with all you've said. Yes, my guild can zakum, but my time is not in convenience with theirs so tough luck for me. Yeah, I guess it's a bit demoralizing for me that most of my associations left and a bit of a rough road try to find another suiting place for a person in my timezone. Yes, I mainly suggest v83 for the 80/20 leech and ToT as a training option for people, it also give a better base for wz editing as their are more maps to work with. You're right, it doesn't close that gap and I can't wait for BPQ and APQ in that case, I only hope that it give a decent amount of exp because I have a feeling it'll give the minimal. Anyway, I hope that will hopefully answer my request. Yeah, I also agree with the WZ editing, it was just a rough suggestion, I've played server with BPQ before and it can be very good and horrible based on the programming. Oh well, I'll be around for that
I'm currently in the same timezone for 5 more days, since i'm visiting my parents in Guam, but i'm usually GMT/GMT+1. BF usually get killed immediately after server checks, so a good look out, is just to see when the last server check was. 11am in our case. since BF respawn time is 18-24 hours, i would say around that time again everyday till the next SC. If you want to know other AUS/NZ players then. IGN: Sinner, Cleanse, RidemyPianus, Valium, KickPuncher ect. So they are around, you just need to look. & They are all friendly people, so asking for a zakum run wouldn't be too hard. The best time for us to play however, would be morning.
I was under the impression that newts is the place for those who can't train at skeles (can't take a hit without HB). No?
he is a level 137 dark knight, I think he just thinks the exp is slow (compared to mage classes), not that he is unable to grind there.
I am for Wz edits personally, as long as they only add things like Ulu City (great alternative for skeles). More content will most likely result in less boredom at higher levels, especially if it's high level content. Most people download v62 when they visit the site anyway, so if you were to put up a bunch of edited files, I'm sure nobody would mind/notice.
Shouldn't the BF respawn time be 12h? Also, even 12h seems a little long to me, as we are getting more and more active high lvls. Anyways, OT: Skeles/Newts/Himes are the preBB training spots. If we change that, there wouldn't be anything nostalgic about 4th job (120+) itself, tbh. I'll agree that as a non-bishop, gaining levels can be a pain in the butt, but all it takes is discipline and some free time. The harder it is to level, the bigger the challenge.
Change the respawn time of Bigfoot to 6 hours. Modify their drop rate accordingly. I'm sure people hunt them for the EXP, not for the coins/gach/nx they can drop.
I don't see what's wrong with the BF respawn time. Originally it was like this (in v62 Maplestory) and I don't see why it should be any different here. The long respawn time is a part of the game and I wouldn't wanna see it any different.
The respawn time in GMS was 6 hours. Most of the respawn timers were modified by Matt to correspond with the exp/drop rate. Though the server is growing fast and needs to adapt accordingly. EDIT: My bad; their respawn time was 7-8 hours. Boss Respawn Timers from 2009 (Pre-BB) <-- reference Also: No one's bothered by that? No one at all. How easy Bishops can level and yet we still don't try to tweak it for everyone else? >.> Soon enough anyone who joins the server will roll Bishop because of that page. Why roll anything else? Most of the people in those high scores minus the Bishops have been there since I joined weeks ago. Now it's nothing but newly rolled Bishops.
Although that wordpress was made at 2009 december 22 which is 0.80 and not v62. And iirc the bf spawn time gets changed somewhere between those versions. This is how the game was pre big bang, if you rather have useless bishops then i suggest post big bang, where bishops are never needed. And idk if I only speak for myself but I dont pick a job just so i can lvl to 200 in the fastest possible way, I pick a job that I enjoy playing. So what if bishops can lvl fast at skele, thats the only place where they can train at effective while every other class can boss too. Another thing about this "Mass bishop problem" if everyone would make a bishop then there wouldnt be any skele maps left so people wouldnt be lvl so "much".
