How Hp/Mp washing is ruining the game imo.

Nice straw man, no one here is shit talking dedicated players. They exist in every game and there's no denying that they are the ones who keep this game alive and running. That doesn't change the fact that hp washing is a shitty mechanic that should've never existed, as there are plenty of other ways to get ahead in the game.

 

It is too ingrained into the server's economy and ultimately culture. If you want no washing/leeching, you should look elsewhere, as it is likely to never ever change.

 

Just gonna throw some thoughts out there...

1. Server seems to be doing just fine even with it- if it was going to die because of HP washing it would have happened years ago- meanwhile servers that "removed" HP washing- how are they doing? (That isn't a jab- it's just... it's ridiculous to think this one thing is what makes or break a server when there's a million other factors).
2. Washing isn't mandatory- sure some classes may have a very tough time bossing (some bosses more than others) but there are plenty of medals, items, the HP quest, HB- it is very doable without washing- but you sacrifice some damage. Which is okay you have to give something up to get something or we give high HP classes which are mostly crap damage a huge middle finger.
3. Not a criticism but you pulled that "3 times the players" number out of your ass- we're already pretty much at critical mass when it comes to players- old time Maple is a minority community as it is- I'd be surprised if all servers together had 3x what we have.
4. Bottom line is people get sucked into metas- you can do and play this game however you want- most of the time people adamantly against HP washing aren't altruistic- they're upset or unable to do it and think it's unfair. So- just don't do it. If you have the money and want to wash people should be able to, cause why not. I'm washing a 30k corsair for giggles but my mains are all mostly unwashed (I washed my pally but lets be honest warriors take fuck all to wash, I had shit INT gear and I had the MP for 30k HP at level 85).

fwiw- I have a guild for not-washing, it's called Unwashed- you are more than welcome to join. I'm not very active these days since im doing my clinicals but we have some people around here and there and it's allianced with a pretty active guild. The game is open to whatever you want to do- don't let some hardcore vets doing hardcore vet things get you down. If anything capitalize on it- you can vote semi regularly and make a lot of money selling AP resets to those people.

 

I don't think it should be removed, because it's already a huge mechanic in the game.

Reworking the system to cater to newer/casual players would be optimal, but I wouldn't know what to change.

 

HP washing is too integrated into the game to remove at this time. IMO it was just bad game design and lack of oversight on Nexon's part to have not patched this bug early on. Yes I do call it a bug because it doesn't make sense to put points into one stat and take points out of another stat you never originally put points into. Problem is that a lot of people have become so used to having HP washing as a requirement for bossing that it has essentially become a de facto feature. Proper game design would have been to provide all classes enough HP to survive the highest possible unavoidable magic attack hit from a boss of their exact level. Oh well, too late now.

 

I completely agree.. i joined 3 days ago and 20% of my game time i kinda worry about whether i should have rolled other class than an assassin.

I keep hearing this from everyone:

Do you hp wash?

I say no.

OMG YOU NEED A NEW CLASS GOOD LUCK YOU CANT BOSS LMAO LOL

its frustrating i love assassins

I haven't sold a single AP yet and i got my first 10 mil already 3 days ago. I don't think a single HP wash is gonna make make any big impacts on the game, since nobody likes HP washing lol

Server already is #1 and that will NEVER change unless staff members fk up the whole system. But 1000+ daily players.. AP reset doesn't affect seriously anyhow. People would play their favorite classes that requires HP washing instead of quitting. Who seriously votes for AP resets? I don't.

AP reset is a waste of time, money and will take the fun of the game away. Maplestory was at its highest peak around v62 and players didn't even know what HP washing was back then.

Community is too strong here for server to die.

PS.. i find it very dumb for people to say

" then don't do it "

" you can't boss sorry "

"Change your class "

" Make a bishop, waste hours and hours of your life just to make mesos on a class you don't even like just to buy INT and other gears and AP resets so you can finally start playing normally "

like wth i have a job, real life outside too, i wanna have fun and play normally without doing some crap things like HP washing.

Don't get me wrong, i love this server community is where its at.

 

People who despise HP washing should form their own guild or something. Stop blaming the game and the players for your problems.

You can’t change the game or the customs of players but you can always improvise.

 

I would say over 50% doesn't actually like HP washing. Who does lol? Besides it's not even part of the v62.

 

Imagine the life of dark knight without hp washing

 

HP washing was 100% a thing in v62 homeboy. Horntail was released back in v52. To put into perspective the duration 10 versions is, Pink Bean was released in v72 (7-8 month time period). Players did not just begin to HP wash after v62 and all get to a level/HP needed to begin doing Pink Bean trials one month after release.

Used to HT without Zerk because first started wearing INT at an already high level crew

 

Chill yo. I am a level 200 nl without hp wash. The classsic TalkToMyAss scrub Nl. But i still make it to 200. Hp wash is not necessary. Its luxury

 

Not everyone wants to level up to 200 just so they can boss.. most people also have lives here and not enough time to make it to level 200. Most people have lives too. You too could do bossing earlier but hey you decided to reach max level until you can boss, where's the fun in that ?

Lol no it wasn't. I never heard people talk about AP resets before 2013 ( private servers ). You think everyone basically wasted hundreds or thousands of dollars just so they can HP wash? Maybe someone scrolled their equips with HP scrolls and did some HP quests IDK but nobody wasted real money to buy hundreds maybe thousands of AP resets.. maybe except those spoiled kids who's parents were rich.

Take a look at old school bossing videos where people do zakum, papulatus, pianus etc.. you really think those players bought 500+ AP resets with real life money? Nope.

 

Nah they did.



And HP washing was already a known thing in MSEA. Even some hero name kwanhua washed to 30k hp as a hero

 

Yes. I don’t think so, I know so. This isn’t a matter of opinion. I am telling you it was a thing.

 

My point is you don't need hp to get to 200

 

Eh what ever i just love this server its allll gucci my lovers

 

yes I admit i pulled that number out of my ass lol and yeah I see what your saying and I think the server is doing good. But I can't help to believe that a server with washing would appeal to more people, simply because there's no real point to it or need. Unless you want to make that best "30k hp" acc. and grind bosses solo to make significant gains. Then, the whole way you play the game changes and aspects of the game are lost and people are disconnected, theres a bigger goal created with more focus and that was assumablly intended as a huge cash grab once, for nexon. Now, in this server where the AP resets are free and its just a matter of time as long as you vote right? This pointless annoying creation for money now attainable to everyone for FREE? yes free. I understand how keeping it would allow for you to keep large number of consistent votes. But why keep it in the game when all it does is make people want to quit, or play by themselves or even sell gold? It's seen as end game, yet there is no end game aspect to it. No one naturally makes a NL and puts all AP in INT. Its like they are slowly getting that hp glitch and now they ruin the game for themselves except now its for free. It just feels like a toxic thing to me in the end and was intended to reward money hungry people in this society who have no problem throwing away thousands to have instant success in game also. Thats what washing makes me think of and FUCK thoes guys. I realize its not exactly the same here in this server, it takes time to reach thoes ammount of ap resets and you are rewarding players slowly, thoes who have washed have to have played and put time into the game. Way more time than someone who hasent or just started playing unless they make a wiz, which is now the most expensive job. Seeing this can be a huge turn off for some new people I think because they look at the game for what it is and see it and (not to be rude to anyone who created the game) realize why waste my time with this? Like its almost too much of an investment and then they choose whether they are doing this or not or when. Plus a whole bunch of other time invested researching and planning and all this crap, you know.. and it does somewhat effect the economy (for non ironmans). new guy wants to make a wiz? oh shit int gear is at an all time high ya they'll be grinding for a while, meanwhile luk bathrobes are a fraction of the price ironically the most op washed bossing class. Wizards are the slaves of Nl's now, they level them up so they can get washed, wiz get paid to be able to afford the rest of their gear they should have had already just to be worse at bossing still, all created from a need for carry from washing through this broken system where the rich get richer then the wiz goes and makes a NL to be part of the system once they have made enough money repeating the cycle, a cycle that divides players instead of forcing them to team up, this is a shitty old system in my opinion and should be changed. if it was removed everything would be normalized and the people who want to solo bosses now have to group up, also I dont agree with you being at critical mass. I think the players that are here for the most part is the community imo its bigger than any private server I've seen for sure, lots of people drawing art and many things going on always, plus its easier for people to join bigger communities. I can only see it staying the same or gaining fuck thoes people who quit cause you took away washing then, because they were the problem in the first place, if someone cant play without washing then fuck them because they want a broken system.

 

Man, next time you should write your reply in paragraphs instead of one wall-of-text +_+

But you should know that even if you are HP washed, there is still a very low chance to join a Horntail/Toad run on a daily basis. Scheduling a Horntail/Toad run is very hard, because of these 3 reasons IMO:

- It is harder to find people that meet the requirements of range and HP,
- The pre-quests are hard (dragon elixirs and jump quest).
- Duration of the fight is very long.

I guess you are mad because you are constantly rejected to join a HT run, either because you are unwashed or you play a class that many people don't want in a bossing squad. If that is the case, you'd better find an active guild and go bossing with your guildmates.

I am unwashed and I still enjoy the game, so chill.

 

It's okay my lovers, community is just too much fun to even think about HP washing

- lvl 49 assassin with a lot of goofy friends lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooo

EDIT: Scrolls have more more worth if AP resets lose worth,which means original gameplay gets more worth.

 

You could say that by design, this entire game's HP system is flawed and trash. Just from the perspective that they have bosses that will literally kill people in 1 hit at even level 200 unwashed, is laughable. As someone who has 2 washed NLs and a washed Hero, I am all for HP washing. It has made the game more enjoyable. Being able to do all content on any character is what SHOULD be able to be done from the start. But the hp gain and bossing in this game are much different than any other MMO. Its flawed and HP washing has become the norm. And tbh, its not even that bad if you commit yourself to it. At the end of the day, everyone enjoys the game in their own way.

You are not required to HP wash here, and yes that is a fact. Will you be denied party invites from people? Yes, more than likely. But it isn't pre-ordained that you cannot even attempt to play this game unless you HP wash. Yeah it takes a lot of time to fund HP washing, but this game is a literal grind. Its not supposed to be instant and easy.

I don't think people stick around for the gameplay. They stick around for the community they put themselves into. Whether it be a specific friend group, a guild, henesys ch 1, fm ch 1, or anywhere they can surround themselves with people they enjoy. Without a community you enjoy, you will never feel the satisfaction of just enjoying this game (personal opinion).