Dexless NL vs Enough Dex to get equips NL

Hi!

anyone has credible information on whether a Dexless vs Enough Dex to get equips NL, who deals more dmg?

i have a 52 att skanda! so that helps a little compared to middle scrolled 66att craven/sleeves.

i can boost all my equips on luk too!
25Luk, 3 clean slot bathrobe! (plans to scroll to 40Luk with ws and 10%)

i haven;t gotten the items list below yet,
11 + luk earring,
17Luk+ zak helm (anyone knows if there are scrolls for helm for luk?)

Bottom line question :will i be able to out fight a NL with some dex and above avg but not godly equips?

i am planning to go dexless all the way

 

Weapon Attack to an NL has the most skewed ratio of Luk/WA of any class. Luk doesn't give you much in terms of DPS late game, but Weapon Attack will get better and better as you level up.

There are also no Scroll for Helm Luk, but there are for Dex so that just makes going Low Dex all the more viable.

Short answer: Low Dex>Dexless

P.S. Please hold off on those White Scrolls because they can be used for much more optimal stuff.

 

If you gonna use white scrolls and 10% scrolls you can get a 90 attack claw, that is a bit better than a luk robe

 

If you're aiming for end game damage I think you should aim for low dex and once you get godly equips with high dex like godly zhelm you can use a few ap resets to take the excess dex and put into luk.

You would waste quite a bit of dex that you get from zhelm, dep star and other equips that give lots of dex from going dexless. Just put a small base of dex, you're not sacrificing much luk but you gain a lot of weapon attack.

 

By going dexless you're wasting the potential dex from top/bottom, the 5 dex from dep star, the 15-22 dex clean from zhelm AND the 10 slots on your zhelm because helm luk scrolls are not a thing that exists.

If you did finish your robe to 40 luk, the only way to do that would be +8/10 with 10 or 30%s. You cant be at the point you're at and have ever used 60%s. If we compare, that's going to be 11 slots hit between the top and bottom (8/10 is 80% of slots, 11/14 is 80% of slots). So we'll say you got +5 on the top and +6 on the bottom, but feel free to use any combination.

If you had the same scrolling on a level 80 top/bottom combo, you're looking at:

	AVERAGE CLEAN	GODLY CLEAN	AVERAGE SCROLLED	GODLY SCROLLED
top	6 luk 2 dex	11 luk 6 dex	21 luk 2 dex	26 luk 6 dex
bottom	2 dex 4 luk	7 dex 9 luk	20 dex 4 luk	25 dex 4 luk

So you can see that anywhere from 49 to 63 stats on a top bottom combo would be "equivalent scrolling" to your bathrobe, meaning with scrolling being exactly the same, you're missing out on 9 to 23 stats there. Don't forget the potential 5 stats and 15-22 stats from dep star/zhelm, and the 10 slots on your zhelm (avg scrolling with 60%s would be another 12 stats, perfect with 60s is 20 stats.)

Assuming your equips were all pre-godly bases and your scrolling on the zhelm was average with 60%s, that's (9+5+15+12=31) 31 stats you're missing out on (almost another overall completely) or, with godly bases and perfect 60%s on the zhelm (23+5+22+20=70) 70 stats you're missing out on. WOW.

Equivalent scrolling of your skanda vs a craven doesn't come out to 66 being "middle scrolled." Your skanda is actually a worse scrolling job than a 66 atk craven. A perfect skanda in this server is 42 atk clean (so you did +10), and a perfect craven is 55 atk (so 66 would be +11). It just seems as if your scrolling on the skanda was good, because clean godly skandas are much harder to find than clean godly cravens, which drop at Ulu II, in temple of time, AND at various bosses so they're much easier to find. Anyway, the 13 base attack difference in a skanda vs a craven is enough to make up for the base dex you would need to add to equip one, with room left over, even ignoring the relative ease of finding and scrolling cravens. So just upgrade to one.

I second plenty on not white scrolling that overall. Even if it did come out to 40 luk, it still wouldn't be worth the amount of money in resale value. Hell, I doubt you would get the cash value of one slot of white scrolls (statistically costs at least 2b per slot, and its been going up lately) out of it. There are better uses for your money, and for white scrolls.

Tl-DR
Low-dex is better than dexless in every single way after level 90 except that low dex doesn't get to say "hurrrrrr I'm a dexless sin" and the gap only increases as you get more and more total luk (as you level up.)

 

dat analysis

 

Sometime when I get less lazy, I'll do a similar analysis of when EXACTLY a stonetooth is better than a sparta and a shield. I swear half the time I like theorycrafting about maple better than I actually like playing maple.

 

I'm so proud...

 

I'm staring at a matrix of around a hundred possible situations right now. The variables are how well scrolled are the base equips, how well scrolled are the swords, how well scrolled is the shield, what is the level of the character, are apples being used, are heartstoppers being used, and how much atk is being gained from glove/cape/shoe.

With this many variables its REALLY difficult to get any specific answers, but I've got enough data to suggest a trend, and it basically says when a high atk potion is not in use (Heartstopper or apple - ciders are not high enough atk) a sparta is the better weapon. The stonetooth becomes better and better as the level of the character increases - at level 100, unless the ST user is getting 100 dex from his equips you don't even need a shield at all to beat him, but at level 180, you require between a 14 and 22 atk shield to beat him, depending on how strong the cape/glove/shoe you're using are (all assuming equivalent scrolling of the sword, of course.) With a very strong cape/shoe/glove (think mike here), more than 100 dex from equips, and at level 180, you may need as high as a 26 atk shield to beat a perfect stonetooth, but in the end the 1h and sword combo, when apples/HS are NOT in use CAN always be better. I ran some numbers with a 30 atk shield involved just for giggles, and the 1h range came out as high as 900 better than the ST range.

I'm very interested in the numbers with heartstoppers involved, because I would guess that's about the tipping point if you have solid but not great dex equips and are in the 140-160 level range, but I can say without even bothering to turn my calculator back on that when apples are in use, and the character in question is over level 135 or so, a ST is always going to be the better weapon, even if your only dex equips are a scrolled zhelm and scrolled neos bottoms.

 

@ all! thanks for your valuable advice! after some calculations, I realised it is indeed better to be low dex! thanks for the generous help thus far!
esp @jmmainvi

you guys are awesomeee!!

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