Bucc hp washing and recent buff

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  1. Kermes
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    Hey guys, I'm making a new bucc (due to my main nl being stuck until the next server check) and I wanted to ask the experienced players about three things:

    1. Hp/mp washing

    2. The recent bucc buff

    3. Comparison to other melee chars


    My personal goal:

    1. For the future - Surviving Pink bean w/out hb (potential for 30k hp if wash down mp)

    2. At the present - Comfortably Horntail w/ option to be sed (18,750k hp with some excess mp at lv 175)


    My char's stats so far:

    - Lvl: 55
    - Int: 266 base int (410 total int with equips + mw20)
    - Hp: 2,666
    - Mp: 2,835


    My questions:

    1. Regarding necessity of washing

    I understand buccs have iframes where they are invincible, with the caveats being the delays in between animations and long cooldown periods. These iframes allow buccs to solo bigfoot and other bosses at a lower level without needing high or even the required hp.

    In light of this, how necessary is it for buccs to wash? Is the only reason to wash to be sed and/or to prepare for pink bean (which seems increasingly possible given the announcement of the neo tokyo release)?


    2. Regarding whether to hp/mp wash

    In order to reach my goal,

    (1) is mp washing a necessity or is hp washing (which seems very efficient and cost-friendly due to the improve max hp skill) sufficient;

    I'm particularly interested to know if a high excess mp amount is needed/favourable in the same way that nightlords need it, considering that buccs have their unique mp recovery skill (recovers 60% of mp with 10% of hp that has a short 10 second cooldown).

    (2) If mp washing is necessary, roughly how many levels do you mp wash?

    (3) With all the talk about buccs being cheap to wash, the cost drastically increases with the consideration of mp wash. Do the benefits (higher hp at lower level, excess mp) offset the cost in your opinion?

    At the moment, my plan is to mp wash from level 55 until level 100-135 (depending when I wish to start using my bucc and how much excess mp I eventually decide to have).


    3. Regarding the recent bucc buff

    I'm reading lots of threads where people say that buccs are more of a support class vs being a heavy dps/dpm bosser due to SI / TL (but I noticed these threads were all created in 2018 and earlier before the buff).

    Is this view outdated due to the recent bucc buff? I've seen quite a few buccs white at krex/zak arms (but not too sure about ht).

    How do you all feel buccs have changed since the buff?


    4. Compared to other melee chars

    Also, bucc will be the first melee class char I'm playing and I thought I'd just ask you guys how buccs compare to melee chars (hero/drk/pally/shad) considering it's the only char without a defense buff?


    Thanks all for helping me with my questions, I feel it's a really underrated character and I'm quite excited to make and play it!

    Happy halloween!!!
     
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    You are a melee class so you are likely to touch bosses like Ht's legs (hit like 14k), zakum (around 9k), and sometimes ht's head as well (hit close to 15k).
    You can also get 16k to tank toad
    As for PB he got a ranged attack that hits around 18k and a touch damage of 23k

    Regarding sed, bucc doesn't seem like a good sed mule even if you have high HP as you don't have the avoid of NLs/shadowers (which means you'd get hit by 1/1 and quickly die without heal) or the defensive skills of warriors (like power guard) and your stance is unreliable as well (needing to have full bubble to get stance). It's better to just have one of the NLs or other melee in the party become sed instead

    Also about MP washing, pirates lose more MP when they use APR which makes their mp wash to be less effective by 4 mp (so basically a pirate with 140 int will get around the same MP as an NL with 100 int when mp washing)

    And about the buff, before the buff bucc was really trash and was probably was the weakest attacker class in the game. Now it got buffed quite significantly though (like 30-40% more DPS) and it can outdamage heroes, Drks and BMs in 1vs1.
    I remember before the buff I could almost never white any boss and it took quite long to kill stuff. Now I can white heroes/drks with better gear than me and also NLs with a bit weaker items (before buff even NL without se would white a bucc).
    Also bucc is really good at shaolin (can solo pretty easily from 170+) and bf (can kill it fast without any of your hits missing if you use demo without booster) but isn't that good at multi target stuff like CWK bosses or zak arms compared to warriors
     
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    Hello,
    i don't play Bucc myself but here's the HP & MP Wash for your class using Shiyui's HP wash calculator

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    -Get 270 Base int
    -level from Lvl 55 to level -> 135 using your int gear & MW20
    -at lvl 135 you can reset your base int back to 4. This will take you 266 AP resets * 15m mesos per AP reset = 3.99b~
    -at level 175 you will have roughly 29500 HP + 500 HP from the HP quest = 30k HP



    one thing i don't know: Do Buccaneers get 500 HP / 1k HP or 2k HP from the HP Questline in Ellinia?
    in any case here's the HP & MP wash for 29k HP by lvl 175 and 28k HP by lvl 175:

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    Here if you want to calculate yourself
    https://royals.ms/forum/threads/hp-washing-calculator.111127/
     
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    Thanks for the informative post! The damage hits by those bosses are very useful to know when planning washes, looks like 23k+ hp would be the optimal minimum for those looking to experience all contents of the game (incl. pb).

    Would buccs be able to take on bga/bgb/theboss as well?

    Wow, thanks for helping with the calculations! Looks like the wash isn't as expensive as I thought it was gonna be :) I'll probably mp wash a little earlier to get some excess mp but it's good to know that 30k hp at lv 135 is easily attainable with only 270 base int and 15 levels mp wash.
     
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    You'll have enough MP by level 135 to reach 30k HP by lvl 175.

    You will have to level 40 times and gain the natural HP aswell to reach 30k.

    Buccs gain an average of 38 HP per level up after they maxed the HP improvement skill.

    So 40 lvls * 38 HP / lvl = 1520 HP.

    That means at level 135 you'll be able to reach 28480 HP and get the remaining 1520 HP by lvling up to lvl 175.
     
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    hello it would be the first post that answers a question that I had a long time ago, the bucc is a good character and is fun and if you like One piece, it always reminds you of hahaha anime. The bucc is usually not physically touched by boss , is always remote and this is due to demolition.

    This class also tends to do a lot of damage, I could say that it is below the NL and Corsair, of course, all this depends if you use Barrage and Demolition as combos. I have a friend who can harm a boss in 700k hp. What I can tell you is an almost immortal race and is very good for some things and bad for others. the good things would be that you can go alone to many boss and have a lot of hp and don't need a lot of mp. But now I explain how the topic of washing goes because my bucc has a wash. The bad things about the bucc is that it is very slow, but massive damage rewards this little detail.

    As for the HP wash, my formula was as follows: 250int 200int base and 50 gear, with that I obtained about 6.7k of mp. when I did the washing I got about 14.3 or 14.2k of hp without adding the hpquest where I reached about 15k of hp and I can still do some washing, let's say I can wash about 700mp. Finally, excuse my bad English, but I do not speak much, good luck and I hope I can help you with the information I have given you.
     

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