Should we add a "Repeatedly Lowballing" section to the Blacklist?

You aren’t alone in thinking this way.

A strange subset of naive people in this current generation don’t believe in taking personal responsibility and wholeheartedly believe that others should look out for them when making their own decisions. It is common business practice to maximize profits through all legal means... look at airports charging $5 for a bottle of water, hotels charging $8 for a pack of skittles from the mini bar/fridge inside of your room, clubs, concerts and festivals charging excessive amounts on drinks (alcohol especially) and even food, foreign markets/vendors over charging/pricing tourists, airlines marking up flights during the high traffic holidays, pawn shops paying a fraction of the price to those desperate and in need of money, scalpers who resell sports tickets, ‘silver and gold’ shops that pay you well below the value of your metals, the list goes on and on. It’s taking place all around us in our every day lives and they don’t muster a peep, yet for some strange reason when done on MapleStory it’s ever so unethical and whined about incessantly.

 

It shouldn't be bannable. But Madori's asking if it should be blacklistable.

Scamming generally isn't bannable unless you do it to the point you're a detriment to the server.
I personally don't care either way, I think it's a nice topic to bring up though. I think 1-2 times a month when the blacklist derails I tell people to shut the hell up and post more bundle shop scammers, the real reason mapleroyals is going to die.

I'm not that guy but I'm sure there are people who think low-balling is scamming as bad as leech scamming. Shouldn't the buyer perform their own background check/buy at their own risk?

 

I don’t think I ever mentioned banning. I don’t think it’s a blacklist worthy event. And I definitely do not see it as a scam. And this isn’t anything like leech scamming. Not sure why that is brought up

 

I don't think it's like leech scamming.
But people have tried blacklisting it a few times now on the blacklist thread within the past few months, treating it on par with other forms of scamming. Leech scamming probably is the most hated commonly seen scamming.

 

Price guide is not 100% accurate but if that person took a look, he’d know not to sell it for 50M. Also by level fifty as a newbie you’d be sure to have browsed fm at least once or seen a smega regarding the prices of CS. Negligence is not an excuse.

The polls result shows also shows that overwhelming majority of the people do not believe that this is a scam/blacklist worthy

 

It's pretty obvious that portions of the community lionize ripping off newbies and are salivating at the thought of buying a perfect DPS for 3b

 

If you’re asking for input ^

I voted no, I don’t “bundle shop scam”, and I believe that neither things are blacklist-worthy.

If one doesn’t like the price being offered, whether that be for an item or on an item, they have the full capability to not buy or not sell it. This includes “bundle shop” because ultimately the indidual is making a decision to go against reading the price/quantity/description of what they are purchasing before doing so.

This would be blacklist worthy:

A: “I’ll sell you my blue hat for $10”
B: “Deal!” *gives $10*
A: *gives red hat instead of blue*

Or

A: “I’ll sell you my blue hat for $10”
B: “Deal!” *gives $10*
A: *disappears and never provides the hat*

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This would not be blacklist worthy:
A: “I’ll sell you my blue hat for $10”
B: “Deal!” *gives $10*
A: *gives blue hat to person B*
B: “Hey I wasn’t listening when you said it was blue, scammer!!!!!”

Or

A: “Selling hats!!!” *has 10 hats in a line, 1 is priced at double that of the others*
B: “I’ll take one!” *grabs 1 of the 10 hats and pays for it without comparing the price to that of the other 9 hats*
B: *after purchasing* “wait, this hat was twice as much as all of the others!! Scammer!!”

 

shop bundle it's not necessary scam or blacklist worthy(depends from case to case)
if you set store all the time it's normal sometime to miss price in rush especially with campers around
just like stores that often put 1-2 less number and sell items for so cheap (its not scam/blacklist if you buy it its owner mistake)

it's freemarket there is no set price or someone that can say exact price of each item all the time
if you like the offer take it or leave it no need pressure and furthermore argue about it with buyer/seller

but its when someone constantly try to scam/push the bundle "scam" with other pre-set title price thing/lie about prices and harash you if you deny the offer sure it's worth a blacklist/ban

just like @nosebleed said in the examples
hotels wont go and argue/report markets for lowball just because they sell 250ml coke for 25$ while same one its 0.50$ in market
but hotels also wont argue & convince that you should buy that coke and harash if you dont

 

But there is a huge difference between taking advantage of obvious market demands and purposefully exploiting individuals who don't know any better (perhaps they should know better, but that's a whole 'nother point). And the difference is informed consent. Even with pawn shops you sell your goods at an extremely low rate with the full knowledge of their market value. Under most state contract laws, sale of goods transactions that occur without informed consent (aka the lowballing examples) are considered "unconscionable" and therefore unenforceable. Because it's less about absolving individuals from personal responsibility, but moreso about protecting individuals from predatory acts.

All that nonsense being said, my personal opinion is that as someone who managed the blacklist for a year let's be real we all know that no one really gives a fuck lmfao

 

Lowballing and undercutting itself isn't blacklist worthy. Everyone tries to buy stuff cheaper than market price. If you are unsure of the price there's several ways to check: forums, shoutbox, owl, guildies/friends, megaphones, price guides. If you're still unsure, simply don't sell or buy it. It's your choice no one is forcing you.

In my opinion, this fosters a sense of helplessness and lack of taking responsibilities for your own actions.

Now if you're blacklisting someone for taking advantage of new players I think that's more of blacklisting someone for simply being a dick.

 

because depends from many factors and that "gray area" it's so small to juge someone right away
that bundleshop scam often get misinterpreted (someone can easily get blacklisted just by simple mistake of adding 1 extra number)
and it's eazy to say it's owner fault chek the prices but that can't be said like : buyer should chek what they buy ?

but also there is many that abuse useing that as excuse to push their scam
like selling 5.9k ea power pots store title
but in store every other its 59k ea

nothing can be done other then open eyes and care what you buy or sell no matter what was the intention

ps
i voted no on repeatedly lowballing as long as offers are done nicely/all got right to offer as they want (without harash in the process)

also i agree with you on "shopbundle scam"
Only if there is enough evidence to show they're doing it on purpose

 

On that note, why not throw in people who constantly overprice stuff too?

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I voted no, because at the end of the day it is a free market and as much as I dislike it, people are free to negotiate and do not have to entertain lowballers.

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Yes people who overprice and overvalue their stuff irritate me even more, you know who you are . But hey who am I to comment.

 

Blacklist people who offer under s/b.

Blacklist people who overprice things.

Blacklist people who post on other people's selling threads saying that they're overpricing things.

Blacklist people who PM a/w and cause drama between forum members who a/w the item first.

Blacklist people who keep a forum auction up indefinitely even though there's a c/o.

Blacklist people who make blacklist claims with no evidence.

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Kappa