MapleRoyals is outdated, and it doesn't have to be.

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    If you're suggesting change via something new and better looking, I don't think looking at other servers for inspiration or ideas to start from is really going to help change that.
     
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    How hard is it? Please enlighten me
     
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    Actually the resolution change will be worked on.
    It will probably come soon™

    I really like the fact on Mapleroyals that shit will get tested a long time until it will be implemented.
    The Website and Forum is a clear Structure which I really like, no distracting stuff.
    The only part which I do agree at your criticism is the ranking, ingame Ranking works it probably just need to be displayed at the website.

    Like people told you before, there are many great Devs and many shit Devs.
    There are many great Devs which want to hurt this server so as Shit Devs.
    This people just don't need solely a Dev which can program and is creative, they need someone which they can trust and know his stuff...
     
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    Working from analogy is a working method for building websites. Especially when the analogy does a lot better. I don't get your point. As a matter of fact, it wouldn't be the first time Royals worked from analogy.
     
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    Design aside (I don't think the forum looks bad to be honest though) , the website is even lacking basic functions like the control panel (you can't even reset your password now lol) and a forum search function.
    These things have worked before but got bugged, yet it's been like years and nobody fixed them yet
     
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    The main website & forum
    1. Not a bad idea, but there is a lot of custom content in the server, down to small details. Where does the line get drawn between what gets put on the (I'm assuming) easily digestible list, and what doesn't? Perhaps a distinction better left to our players, if they want to create such a list in the Guide Section.
    2. I can't say too much about this one, except that changing the look will probably be done in conjunction with updating the back-end code. Any other visual update would merely be a temporary measure, and not worth the development time (in my opinion). More urgent functionality for the website has been in the works for some time.
    3. I believe there are several reasons for this and I'd say that you could expect 2. and 3. to come at the same time. But as neither is top priority, maybe keep your expectations in check. I would personally enjoy a ranking system.
    4. There is one. There is also a T&C which is aggressively advertised and players still manage to not read it. I'd say directing people to read and click hyperlinks is a lost cause to some extent. Still, I can see about advertising it on the front page.

    Resolution
    1. It's in the works, but brings about many visuals and functional obstacles. There are many minute details that will take a long time to fix. So as we adjust our scope and look into the most pressing matters, it's my hope that this will come soon(tm).
     
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    Out of curiosity, what programming languages does MapleRoyals' codes use?

    How does this complicate things when bringing in new material from the original maplestory servers (e.g. GMS, SEA, etc)?
     
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    Thanks for your answers, I haven't been clear enough. Like I mention in my comments. It's not whether there is one or isn't. It's about none of it being displayed on the main website. If it helps, I can create a mock-up for you to propose a better website idea
     
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    This is something that worried me a lot as a player and I've been relieved ever since I've joined staff.

    Work is always being done, we don't ignore feedback, some of us even go bring it up in our private messages.

    As a player I was always worried that staff just pretended to listen or teased us every now and then with stuff we wanted to see so that we would calm down, but they didn't really care or do anything. I was wrong. I'm fortunate enough to get to see what goes on behind the scenes and there's a lot of work cut out for everyone involved. We're all doing our best, daily, to try and get things tested, issues resolved, etc.

    Improving the overall look of the forum is really secondary compared to what we're working on now (like the control panel). And I don't know much about the search function or the rankings but I do know that if they were as easy as you think to implement, Kevin would have done it already.
     
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    I get your point, but what irks me is the idea that servers who haven't been around half as long get done what Royals fails to get done.
     
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    I get that, I really do. It bugs me too :'( But some of those servers also have messed up graphics on their hd clients, and tons of visual bugs :(

    Gert’s post summed it up pretty well on how I felt about it too, I used to think a lot of things (some negative, some positive) about the Staff, but ever since I’ve joined I noticed that there really is a lot of work and effort being put in that nobody really knows about.
    Especially from the quiet one... ;)

    The reason why things take so long is because we want them to be near perfect as possible, we don’t want to do a half-assed job and call it a day despite what some people think. :(

    There’s a lot of love poured into this server on Staff’s end.
     
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    I just wish there was some kind of comment like "we're looking into it" akin to when the staff says "Soon^tm" on certain ongoing projects.

    Personally, what I want to know about is Neo Tokyo. Is the Neo Tokyo Feedback thread under watch? Hard to know. There's been nothing to suggest it besides Matt initially liking the OP. The difference between the Neo Tokyo thread and say... the Scarlion thread is the participation, in my opinion. Tim came out to give his personal thoughts while acknowledging the feedback from the previous comments. That right there lets people know that the released content is being looked at (besides bugs fixes) and may or may not be under work or aka Soon^TM is stamped on it.
     
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    I think there's an important conversation to be had about the functionality of the website, but I recognize that it's a lot of work. I appreciate that you guys have been working on these things for a long time and don't have a lot of manpower.

    @Codey I don't know if something like this could work, but since you said you'd be down to help, maybe someone can start a Royals improvement project on Github?

    Is the website coded in java?
     
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    From what I've heard, you can write the source in most languages so it depends server to server & only people who have access to it can tell you
     
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    I'd find this arguement a lot more compelling if half the staff wasn't inactive or if the admins were actively recruiting to replace them.
     
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    That's quite an exaggeration, I'd say 3 of our staff members are a bit inactive atm but everyone else is hard at work. They can confirm it too, there's a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes prepping for a big update.

    As for the new recruitment argument, more people should apply. There's only a handful of staff applications up right now.
     
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    Lol please bear with me, im on my phone so its hard to quote posts.

    1) staff is significantly more active after the last wave of new hires. More than its been in the past.. not to name names, but its very different since everyone left all that time ago. Its not perfect, but its not like we are hiring for paid positions.

    2) Ill leave it to Kevin to comment on his work, but what i can gather is its very personalized, so getting new people in would take a while, and there is always a risk of someone going rogue with the source. We do however have several staff members who know how to code and do help Kevin.

    3) i understand the sentiment, but the website forum are low priority given whats being worked on now. Its not non existent tho. Between kevin working on everything, we also have joel to make everything pretty. It just takes time.

    4) @JacobSCA its difficult because... the best example i have is skele spawns and drop rates and so on. Its not an exact science. We cant just take GMS code and copy and paste it, its no exageration that Kevin rewrote everything, so new stuff has to be added. I would say give where we were old source, and even beginning of new source, we are in a fantastic position.
     
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    That's fair enough, I take back my comment in that case, and I'm looking forward on whats to come! The last time I really checked in on the matter was ~3 months ago and it at least seemed true back then. See link - https://royals.ms/forum/threads/get-new-gms-its-crazy.145970/page-3

    I know the time you're referring to, but the inacitivty thing has been on cycle for as long as Royals has been around - its a systemic problem imo. You might not remember but I didn't leave with that exodus and I rejoined staff approx a year after that so I did have an insight into what had changed over that period. It has been awhile since that tho and this is all besides the point of OP's post tho so let's get back on track :p

    My two cents are that whilst the forum and website are pretty basic and ugly compared to what it could be and what's out there, the game and game related things (control panel) come first. That being said, I'm sure web design could be done by a members of the community who are willing, although input from admins will still be required so its easier said than done.
    I think the idea of a guide to MapleRoyals and its features would be very nice and I see no reason why a non-staff member couldn't write this and then have it stickied if it is of good quality.
     
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    I recently posted my farewell thread. I'm just going to copy paste the reasons in here as they fit the context.


    • Playing on a 32 inch screen with 800x600 res isn't fun for me.
    • Vote to win frustrates. I don't like that people are being rewarded for laziness. Other servers fixed this by not allowing cash trade and having gachapon tickets drop from monsters.
    • It's so freaking inflated. The equip to vendor prices should have been reduced by 90% from the start. (e.g. Fairfrozen is sold to vendors for 390k, if it was reduced to 39k, a lot less mesos would go around).
    • I feel forced to multi client. If you want to have a chance at the top, you'll be forced to multi client 4 bahamut's to farm stoppers and not fall behind on your friends. If Royals limited multi clienting to 3 different accounts, it would be so much more plausible.
    • End game has been killed thousands of time, the sensation of unbeaten content is gone.
    • Perfect weapons feel too reachable. I like the idea of spending 3 years to get the perfect weapon. If I genuinely focused on this, you'd get a white scroll a week, maybe even two. That's just not challenging.
     
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    Strongly disagree, other servers fucked up even more. Why do I need to vote 1.5 years prior to playing the game just to have enough aprs to wash? (You know which server I am talking about).
    Tradeable nx is beneficial to both the new players who want some meso to buy potions and whatnot, and the pros who need to wash their chars.
    Gach drops from monsters will just make the top players even further than everyone else. The quad mage farmers will stay on top while everyone will have to adjust to the market prices they set.

    Quad client bahamut farm is less efficient than selling leech (80m/h), even if you are a low level Bishop.
    The only time heartstoppers is efficient, is when you are doing something else to make money, such as selling leech/bossing.

    End game hasn't been killed because people still die at ht/zak or mess up somehow. Once you can get consistent clean ht runs, (or neo tokyo), then you can say the end game is beaten.

    Actually if you focus enough you can get a white scroll per day, and in 10 weeks of leeching 4 hours a day you'll get the perfect weapon(approx 30b), which is still hell of a grind to get a perfect weapon. I deeply respect the people who sell more than 2 hours of leech per day. That is definitely not easy. Let alone the quad mage players.


    Too lazy to multi quote so I just organized it in the order of what you wrote(hopefully it's understandable).
     
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