the "free" market

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A permanent owl of minerva would

  1. improve my gameplay

  2. ruin my gameplay

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  1. Earth
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    I really dislike the way the FM works in this game.
    what's wrong with it:

    1) It's difficult to put the right price for your items.. unless you wanna spend 3m to price check each item. As a result? Many of us need to write prices down, write guides. Costs us money + time.
    This creates more problems:
    • you put your item below the value
    • you put it too high it doesn't get sold
    • you cannot price check efficiently, more chance to get scammed.
    2) you're poor? or new on the server? good luck, you're gonna spend an hour to browse the entire FM. Endless clicking and scrolling. Chances are you're not gonna find what you're looking for.

    3) FM spots. Doesn't need a clarification.

    4) Say you're looking for an overall with 10 dex. There's a bathrobe, there's a sauna robe. You are a warrior? You have even more options. Lv 25 robe, lv 30 robe, lv 35 robe, etc. That's atleast 5 owls to find what you're looking for.

    5) Sometimes you pay more for the owl than for the item you're looking for.

    6) Imagine looking for a Facestomper, but there's only 1 on the entire FM and it has 0 attack. You don't want to buy this, you need a clean one. 2 hours later you owl again, still only that same Facestomper on the FM. Another owl wasted.

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    The FM system is old. Owls & FM stores were made so nexon could earn $$$$$.
    Every modern mmorpg has an auction house system.
    With a few hundred people the FM is still doable. But MapleRoyals is proud to have over 1000 players online.
    Why does a mapler have to go thro so much misery for simply trading? Do we really need a headache to find what we're looking for?

    We don't need an auction house, this would require coding.
    This would all be solved by simply removing owl costs. Meso sink issue can be solved by doubling the FM tax to 6% or higher.
    This would also lower smega spams for selling/buying.

    As a bonus I would suggest changing the trading fee to 0%. Encouraging people to trade instead of putting it on FM. This would also bring the community closer.
    The free market will not be empty because:
    - You can avoid taxes by trading instead of putting it on the FM
    - You try sell it directly for a lower price, so it sells quicker.
    - Owls still require you to be IN the FM.

    Let us make the free market, free.

    People who won't be liking this post:
    - Merchers
    - People who always get FM door spots
     
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    1 day of voting for NX gets you enough meso to buy 13 owls, without even playing the game. If you need more than that, you might be doing something wrong
     
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    I understand where you are coming from, and I appreciate the thought put into your post! :)
    I’m saying this as a player, not as a member of Staff please keep that in mind... ^_^'

    1) Other games with an auction house, or a market has the same problem, though I will admit most of those markets have a better search function so it’s not as bad, but none the less, there are a ton of similarities.
    • People will always put stuff below value, they do that on ebay, and in other games too. That will never change. Some people genuinely don’t know the value of an item, and others do it on purpose to sell it fast.
    • If you put an item too high, then you’re right— it won’t get sold, or be slow at selling because everyone likes to undercut everyone else, which isn’t just a Royals thing, it happens just about everywhere.
    • People can be cheap, they want the cheapest offer always for anything, it’s not just a Royals thing.
    2) I do agree the owl system is dated, but at the same time its a great meso sink that we have atm, so I don’t think we’d want to change that. Unfortunately that does leave the door closed to some newer players. Potential motivation for them to make mesos! ~f11

    But in the same breath, I’ve seen quite a few new players dabble around in merching and made easy mesos within a month of playing.
    Some people are just really good at markets.

    3) Uh, I’d like an explanation :oops: unless you are hinting towards people fighting over spots.

    4) It depends on what they want to go for, you also have people smegaing that they are buying or selling stuff all the time.

    5) You don’t HAVE to owl, you can browse by manually checking the stores which is time consuming, but at the same time buying owls is technically a luxury. You can sit back, drop 3m and find your item instantly if you’re rich enough.

    Idk about everyone else, but there’s just something therapeutic about manually browsing the fm and clicking on the shops.
    But I’m also weird, so
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    People use shops because they have lives outside of the game. I’ve sold tons of stuff when I was asleep, or when I was at work. So getting rid of the shops is a bad idea because now you’re forcing those people, and a majority of sales to be moved elsewhere (forum, smega, etc.)
    Nobody’s going to want to sit in the FM and spam “B> __” or “S> __” for hours on end imo lol unless you had another suggestion besides spamming.

    You mentioned that we don’t need an auction system, but if you want to remove FM stores then how would people sell stuff?

    I don’t know if removing owl costs and increasing FM tax % would be a logical thing to do.
    So I won’t give input on that because I simply don’t know, or have any thoughts on it.

    As much as I hate the trade tax, my opinion is no. We need meso sinks, and proposing to remove trade tax will most likely inflate everything even more. Causing more meso issues down the road, since we already have an inflation problem.
     
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    I never suggested that we remove the stores. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    I suggested we make owls free in order to make searching easier. You can still browse the FM in the old school way.
    As for mesos sink the solution is simple: raise the tax for stores.

    No tax is only for trading, brings the community closer & easier to transfer items between friends & guildies.
     
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    You suggested removing owls, and lumped the stores in with your bottom paragraph aimed at nexon, I’m sorry for assuming. ^_^'
     
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    Could you please quote that part?
     
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    removing the cost is essentially the same thing, you’re giving everyone free access to owls, and if you change trading tax to 0% I can see people saying “lol just take it out of the shop and lets trade to avoid tax”
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    So removing owls is the same thing as removing owl costs? o_O

    Yes, you either sell it face to face, or put it in your FM store to sell it without effort, but you lose 6% of the profit.
     
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    You’re missing the whole point of meso sinks, and focusing on one sentence where I admitted I misunderstood you btw, yet you still keep bringing it up. :oops:
     
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    I did bring up a solution to mesos sink.

    I never mentioned removing stores, you said I did. You said you assumed it, and then you brought up I suggested making owls free. Which again I did not.
    Apologies if I misunderstood you, just trying to keep things clear.

    My post might've been a long read and confused some people.
    I wanted to point out all the issues that come along, the root cause of it, and a simple solution to it.

    The free market being an old system, with owls & stores, I suggested we remove the costs of owls to bring it closer to an auction house system.
    In an auction house, like in many games, you search for whatever you want without having to pay for it.

    We simply raise our 3% tax, which is already on the low side, to make up for the owl costs.
     
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    I'm against it because it makes the game easier for the pure sake of convenience. I believe MMORPG is supposed to consume time and effort for gains and benefits.
     
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    I agree that an mmorpg should be time consuming, but there are more ways to achieve that rather than clicking and scrolling thro FM multiple hours a day.

    There is a good reason why nearly all other mmorpgs, far more succesful than any of Nexon's games, do not use this sort of system.
    It is stressful, & time consuming in a poor way, an inferior game design.
     
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    some of us enjoy merchanting yo!!
     
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    I mostly agree with Earth.
    Technically, shopping should be easier and cheaper.
     
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    Is the market completely out of honest good merchants offering a 10-25% reduce where u get your money instantely and dont have to worry about the market pricing and can prioritze your time better off?
    Id just u start making some friends before, join a guild. You will not get the exact price but somewhere around it. Just walking to a fm without any experience we see that in the stock market aswell where people even misplay real money.
    I find the current trading system very good enough.
     
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    Mind adding a poll or something?
     
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    That’s why post Big Bang eventually have auction house (which i’m enjoying very much), sadly that also means the end of this suggestion because a good number of people here have an irrational hatred for anything post big bang even if the idea is beneficial.

    They rather spend “time and effort” on unnecessary routines and systems because it justifies their pre-bb experience.

    So frankly the likelihood of this happening is really low and I wouldn’t keep my hopes high when other less controversial ideas are alr ignored for years on end
     
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    @NTR
    Honestly I'm not expecting it to happen either.
    Most Maplers on old patch servers have built some sort of "shield" towards anything that isn't old school. They deny all that doesn't belong to the old version without really thinking about it.

    I think we should remain open-minded, there is always room for improvement, this game is far from complete and there are ways to enhance our gameplay without making everthing a cakewalk.

    Like someone brought up before on this thread, yes it does make it easier to find an item. But one must still have the money to purchase it.
    We're not handing out mesos or equipment, we're handing out the ability to search.
     
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    A permanent owl is an interesting idea since all players instead of just active players can get information on prices any time they want. It will certainly be harder on merchers to make money, but it also prevents noobs from getting ripped off. That hasn't been a yuuuuge problem of course but in any case I've heard in buddy chat that some merchers lowballed noobs or at took advantage of them

    The only thing I would change is make the owl an one-time purchase like pets
     
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