Owl of Minerva

Discussion in 'Accepted' started by StrandedTal, Nov 10, 2014.

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Do you want Owl of Minerva available?

  1. I've been waiting for this!

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  2. It could save some frustration but no need to haste

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  3. I don't care

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  4. Hell no. it would ruin the game

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  1. StrandedTal
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    There isn't much context to add to the thread, the title says it all~
    I was talking with Fryslan before with a couple of guys asking about the owls... I asked him why isn't it under repair and he told me to suggest it in the forums if I want.
    So here I am.. acting on the silent request for all those who were upset about the fact that it's unavailable.
    Though I wonder how much it'll affect the competition between prices since it would be immediate to locate the cheapest of the item you desire.

    What do you say guys?
     
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    I totally agree with you, very helpful and time saving no need to surf all the FM stores! However i doubt its an easy process to get it working, like Kimberly stated.
     
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    I've been working on it recently and the best I have gotten is listing the searched items in an NPC screen rather than in the proper owl screen.

    So basically you would open the owl and the normal owl screen would appear which lets you search or browse for item names. Then after you search you are presented with an NPC screen showing the item(s) price (and stats if it is an equip), along with a button to warp into the players shop.

    Only issues with it that I can foresee is that the results are not ordered by cheapest price.

    I guess it's better than nothing, so will probably release it soon.
     
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    Nice work!
     
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    I do think this would be a nice addition. One of the downsides of it has already been stated. It will cause players to actively push their prices to be slightly lower than the others on the market. This is inevitable since the owls will be easily available to everyone that is willing to spend his free NX cash on it. FM1-6 will lose their superior position of having slightly higher prices as these are usually the rooms where most people check for an item first. This didn't happen in GMS as not everyone was able to get their hands on owls that easily. What room you will have your store in, will be of a much less significant factor once owls are released. People who are truly looking for that one item will most likely use an owl to see who is selling it for the cheapest price. Of course, this goes only for general items, not for equips as these vary in stats.

    Another downside it that this will make it very easy for people to completely buy out a certain item from the market to hoard on it. Every few hours, as using a couple owls is much more efficient than browsing all the FMs constantly. Think about chaos scrolls, GFA, white scrolls, for as far as they aren't being hoarded on already.

    So far I feel that the way Matt has coded it right now is just fine. You can scan through it to see who has the lowest price, but it makes it a little more easy for people to just go to whatever is on the top of the list when you are talking about items that are available in huge quantities. You could go as far as to only show 3-5 of the items available on the market, regardless of price, as you may say that this in turn would also eliminate those who now have the chance to buy out a single item from the market to hoard on it. In reality though, they could just buy a large amount of owls and keep buying the item until it runs out. It would also be really annoying when searching for equips as it may not show the best ones available. It would make it only more tedious and the only result would be that people would have to buy many more owls, which would have its own results for the (nx) economy.

    Ask yourself if you want to diminish the magic of having a store filled with expensive scrolls and golden teeth in FM1 in return for huge time saves. I suppose that popular items will always be sought after and therefore be hoarded on anyways, so I'm not quite sure if owls will make it that much worse. My vote would be to have them in the game.
     
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    Since this will replace a function that was well documented in v0.62 MapleStory, the script should not be rushed. It should be more than just functional, but also be appealing.

    So please, no more flops like the last event NPC scripts.
     
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    @Gi - this is intended as a temporary measure until we can get the Owl fully working.
     
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    Ok, just make a sloppy one then.

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    Here is a preview, any suggestions please let me know. As far as I know we are unable to show images of the actual item to hover over and show stats, so we've had to list the stats individually. The coloured marker to the left of the item name signifies the colour of the item if it has been scrolled, e.g. White, Yellow, Blue, etc.

    Thanks for making the gif Sila and Gi for the piece of code for the marker.

    [​IMG]
     
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    This looks very good and i'm happy that you fixed it.

    Hehe this is funny! i rather have this than no owl.
     
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    I dont see a problem with the one Matt showed in the gif.
    It shows you where which item with which stats is sold by who for how much. (<<< what a sentence)
    So basically gives you all informations you want and you can scroll trough results and screenshot the ones you like.
    And warp to one... cant remember this in EMS so its even better.
    Since FM gets More crowded i realy would welcome this feature.
     
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    I don't care what it looks like. As long as it works I'm okay with it.
     
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    Looking good. I'm sure it will be used all the time. Please add this to the server.
     
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    That sounds great! The items not being in order from cheapest won't be an issue at all.
     
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    I propose that Owls should be bought via a merchant so there can at least be a small money sink in the game or have these exchangeable with regular Smegas.
     
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    It's great to see so much support for this. Thank you for being so supportive and offering your positive feedback!
     
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    Always a pleasure working with you, John.
     
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    Just a note that I did end up fixing the sorting by cheapest first for all items!

    And Gi... Again... Your sarcasm is not appreciated.
     
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    It seems that you attempted disabling buying owls from the cash shop but it's still enabled. The window that says you can only buy it in fm opens AFTER the purchase.
    Also In my opinion it shouldn't be condemned from the first place. 3m can be the entire difference between the selling prices of an item from different people, which makes the owls useless if you've been trying to find a cheaper price for an item and only useful for rare or really expensive ones in which 3m don't matter. I say it should be possible to buy from both sources with a relatively fair ratio.
     
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    I see one good thing with this, it's not good for the market having too much mesos and making some mesos disappear is good. Why is merchant fees disabled?
     

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