and the truth comes out. this is the same person that complained about nobody wanting there hyperbody in shoutbox everyday
And yet, I don't get your point. So by your perspective, everyone should indeed play nl. I'm sorry I refuse to play on a server that claims to be nostalgic and all we see is washed NLs with se mules. Trash
What do you mean by that? Did I actually say that nobody wanted hb? No, I didn't. What are you even saying?
you been complaining about "having to make a bishop to fund a NL" many times in shoutbox, and now you have been talking about how happy you are to see them nerfed all day. what a coincidence.
Anyone who’s played maplestory at this patch or any patch up until the pirate/thief revamp will be able to tell you the version’s meta is thief. Anyone who plays v83 should know that’s how it is because that’s how it was on gms, until db was released in v88. It’s not nostalgic because you’re not having to spend $10 USD for the same 8k you’re getting for free. That’s why there weren’t washed nl and se miles everywhere, because it literally cost real life money upwards of $600. Play the class you want by all means, but you’re probably gonna get out damaged by other classes same as nl gets eclipsed later.
Why not revert the recharge price to normal and instead nerf alchemist to only increase HP/MP gain from potions and not increase duration? This way it won't affect new players at all but only people who use stuff like apples
Actually, opening NL wasn't my first pick - but mages are far less popular for end game content. It's just because the game is so unbalanced, and rising the prices doesn't balancing anything... Just encouraging grind to win. if gms does everthing just fine, maybe we should use the gms star prices The current system requries you to grind like crazy (with other classes) just to be able to boss with other player (washing and stars). If i won't do it, I can't compete. which is fine, but i don't think it's the reason that people got back to maple. The problem is class imbalance and broken mechanics that caused it in the first place. After the patch, the game will become a massive grinding place just to be able to open NL and abuse these mechanics. So, to sum it up: Good day.
I have complained about hp wash, leech and arguably multi client (im against at least not being able to benefit from a se mule into a boss run) Im against having to wash a nl. Im not against the need of hb. if u delete the wash mechanic, that just makes other class to be worth to main. I've also said that nightlords are suposed to have the highest damage output, indeed. but that should come with a price, which is nls having low hp and should require support from other jobs, like dark knights and se. And thats how the game is suposed to be played, evey class should complete each other. A washed nl doesnt need dark knights on their party, and not even bowmasters, since you can just mule sharp eyes. Hp wash is a glitch that people abuse, and since it's allowed, makes nl an op class. that's it. This is not old maple... Sure people leeched back in the day and maybe some wasted thousands of real life currency to wash their characters. But you can't compare, obviously. So that argument is invalid. Im against leech. theres nothing nostalgic about adding 100 base int and get leeched all the way to 135. Trying to argue in favor of this is pure garbage mentality. You're right it affects thieves that want to use ilbis right away but new players arent supposed to use mid game stars anyway, dude. the game is not balanced... of course alchemist nerf hurts nightlords mains, but its healthy for the server own good. I know it and staff knows it, and despite being hard to fix it, they do have my thumbs up for trying, even tho with wrong measures (we still don't know if its a good patch). So they have my appreciation for trying, means they know the ultimate end game goal is to make a washed nl, and that the game is indeed unbalanced. So this is the way to go.
Via.... Increasing the base costs of pots and stars..? There are so many things they could do to achieve that end
Yeah, with a bad soulotion. they could just delete all NL from the server as well. Just trying to solve a problem is not an excuse for bad descision, and we, as players, have to give feedback so it'll be fixed. As many have mentioned before - the main reason it's this way is the washing mechanics. Cancel it, even give washed players compensation for it. As long as the broken mechanic remain, the problem won't go away.
Everyone: Seems fair. Nothing to say here. Some Players: Hey, this change seems to be too much and hurts the lower funded players by a lot. Veteran/Elitist Players: Wow, crying much are we? Just use steelies and tobies, AKA do less damage, if you're bothered by it. You don't have to use ilbies, you know. You're playing an OP class so expect it to be expensive. If you don't like it, go play some other class you didn't want to play in the first place!!! (hue hue I hate NLs) -------- It seems as though the people who are neutral or plainly for the heavy Star Recharge increase are getting conceited. It's almost like they're trying to turn away people from the server. If you asked people in the past how they would nerf NLs, they'd point at Alchemist and Shadow Shifter as the skills that were overpowered in the NL's toolset. Alchemist, being the bigger culprit of the two since it gave NLs, who have the highest DPS, more sustained DPS than all the classes while cutting costs by a huge margin. With Update 65, those two skills have been nerfed and brings NLs down a notch while still retaining their glory. The Throwing Star Recharge price increase makes sense in a way but who exactly was the Staff trying to target with this change? The lower funded players or the rich players? The Alchemist nerf already reduced the cost efficiency and strength of NLs at higher levels of gameplay. So the heavy Star Recharge price is clearly overtuned in that it hurts lower funded pre-NL/NLs and negatively affects the fun one expects from the class while being unfunded/low-funded. In my opinion, if the Staff is adamant about there being an increase in Star Recharge increase, the prices just need to be cut in half and people will be okay with the change.
True. I couldnt disagree with you on that. But how do they delete it? its the same dilema over and over again. And honestly the ones who run the server are the washed ones. If you think about it, it's not really that easy to fix, because that would affect the ones wh all rdy wasted time and mesos on washing, and that includes Game Masters aswell. But it's not staff fault that they kinda forgot about this shit. Also, it's good for the server to stay #1 on gtop, and lots of ppl quit the game and vote just for ap resets. you know what I mean? I feel ya. but it's hard. so they have to make this little changes
So the main attraction of the server is bossing. In order to boss well, you have to wash and invest a lot in stars end equip (assume it costs X) -> normally, you'll open a bishop, get X, and play. but now the changes made it 10X -> higher barrier for new players -> new players are intimidated and discourge to open a charcter -> the server won't stay #1 on gtop. You just make things worse... it's not balancing, it's just rasing the grinding time while keepin the OP features.
True, might not be the best way. But still, I think it mght be challenging to see low level assassins using steelys and shitty stars again cuz thats the way its suposed to be. Maybe make the stars recharge price affordable by new players by making the price proporcional to levels -> scaling. just an idea. But again, the staff might have failed on this one. who knows? let's try. It hurts to have ulu nerfed, but im happy because now I know they trying to fix what is wrong.
I think the only difference for assassins is that now they will have to use cheaper stars while they still cant afford higher attack ones. And thats fair, ilbis should never be available to a new player in the first place. have u thought about that?
Washing isn’t a magic spell that makes you op because you did it. The server is ran by people who have put in a shitload of hours into the server over years of it being up, merching, and making op items that are worth billions in this closed economy. Real maplestory managed to balance they’re economy with real world currency on lottery or temporary items. I’m washing and my equips aren’t that great, which means not a lot of damage when I do finish; and I’ve seen non washers with way better equips than I do and do more damage than I can ever hope of doing. You must not remember when miracle cubes came out or didn’t play maplestory when they were around, because they flipped gms’ economy upside down over night. If you truly want to balance this game, you’d have to take out hp washing, import a good amount of changes from Big Bang and post bb to v83 and leave out everything that made maple pay2win. NL/sair doesn’t unbalance the game, it was already shaky when nexon made it
Now that I think about it I think recharge price should be less if you are low level, and as you level up they get more expensive to recharge.
I think they got nerfed a little too much. They should gain back either the skill nerfs or the recharge ones.
