Omg that’s so true... now everyone will be fighting for skele maps, and don’t even get me started with all the S>Map BS. I seriously don’t think anyone will buy petri or ulus leech now, buyers gain much less exp now, sellers will use much more money to sell leech. It’d be nice to raise the prices in ulu~petri leeches since the raise of price for nlc pots, but then they nerfed the spawn rate, so what now?
Some ideas on buffing f/p, not really serious so take the suggestions with a grain of salt. - Element Amp to have it's mp consumption increase completely removed to ease the mp usage and the amount of pots you have to use. - Change Infinity on Archmages into a party buff. - Revise Oblivion mobs to be neutral to fire to have f/ps somewhere else to train.
Honestly, to what extent was ulu and petri nerfed? There was nothing in the patch notes to say how much it was nerfed so a lot of this seems like speculation without any data. Any figures on the xp/hr changes?
What's also crippling is that f/p mages have to manually pot while using meteor now because fixed pots on auto pot recover too little MP
As a new player (1-1.5 month old in Royals I decided to make a FP to be able to fund HP washing for my other characters. Got to 14x and was finally making some mesos to be able to play "other classes effectively" and now... what do I do ? Is my AM useless now? Do I have other map alternatives? I am very unfunded. Personally I preferred leech and HP washing did not exist and people level normally. But I was kinda forced to follow the meta (well, I do have a page trying to get quest specialist medal by itself, but it's a fun project, not even close in level of effectiveness) got owned in the middle of the way.
The changes to me look like the people puting the update out have little understanding in what the results would be in changing these things. Id like to have the option to change my i/l arch mage into another job. You've utterly destroyed any reasons at all to still own an arch mage. Completly unfun to play, if i am even able to play at all. Ive got to wait to be able to vote again, buy and sell apr with the nx i get to be able to afford potions for 3 hours.
So i sold 1 hr of petri leech today. I'm lvl156 with about 15k mp. I used Mana Bulls which costs 13,400. 1hr of leech made me use about 540 Mana Bulls, which costs 7,236,000. I sold my leech for 70/140, but it took me almost 20mins to find buyers. At the end of the 1hr run i made 140mil from leech and about 18~20mil from drops. I have no idea if ppl will keep on buying petri's now or not, and my mule in nlc is burning mesos buying these pots, normally i just buy 4000 Mana Bulls so it'd save more time and it would cost about 11mil, now if i buy 4000 pots on my mule thats 53mil gone. Lol..... i need more pro's to do the analysis for me, i've had sellers ask for solo 100mil or 60m split, the thing is petri leech sellers probably spent 3~5bil getting where we are and some newcomers are probably still funding themselves for 1hit, and now we are getting punished by the fact the spawn has gone down, sellers don't wanna pay that much, and pots rising...
Ulu spawn nerfs were about 25%. Have you all tried visiting Temple of Time as an alternative? 3 maps in ulu aren't the only maps that favor arch mages in the whole maple world that consists of hundreds of maps. Ulu is still viable as I see people grinding or selling leech but still making a profit, just less than before. Arch mages are the factories of royals, not bishops. The amount of raw mesos AMs gather from equip NPCing determine the influx of mesos in the market. Now AMs will make less income/time but that will lead to overall deflation in the market. You won't make as much money as before but everything will become cheaper progressively to cancel it out. Even if attacker classes farm tons of gen 20 or HT books, who's going to pay as much for them when there's no money in the circulation? It's about time we all step out of the stagnant leech story comfort zone and try new things that's healthier for the durability of the server.
This is an interesting position I hadn't considered. One of my friends just started as an AM and is finding the cost for pots to be backbreaking, would you agree that the cost of pots should be adjusted a bit, or do you feel that the costing at present is on par with its goals in disincentivizing leeching?
No I haven’t but I seriously feel like a lot of buyers who buy Ulu~Petris leech are the ones who are either funding their HP washing players or new players who just came in the game and looking to use their mesos (made from selling aprs/gach) to boost their way up to 120 or 135 asap. After the 1hr of leech I happen to feel that mana bulls increase is ok tbh, its just ill have to give more mesos up for my mule to buy these elixirs in the future. I'm just not sure how the prices will be now, i feel like it'll be really unstable, and is ToT acctually worth selling leech? Isn't RoR3/4 really annoying to get in for leech? I've never sold leech there so feel free to educate me on this one.
After 1hr of leech, and making at least 100mil+ , the Mana Bulls (normally what Mages use) are OK to me. Since we are making money for sure every HR. Now ginger ales maybe another story...
I dunno if the question was directed at me but I'm willing to answer it anyway. It may contain unrelated info but I included it for the sake of context. I joined royals in late 2016 when the equip drop rates were low not 15x or 18.75x. Pots were cheap back then but starting as an I/L mage who never sold leech, I didn't make as much proft from grinding like the previous generation of AMs did in 2017~ april 2020. Everything is "relative" depending on the time frame one decides to compare their standards with. This is what I have observed in the past years. After the 2017 Jan new source launch, due to rebalancing of mob spawn limit per map (40 at max), spawn rates of certain maps went down or up. Ulu maps were the unfortunate ones that went down in spawn after the update. However, despite the AM dmg buff, many people rioted that they cannot earn a living just like how current AM mains are rioting and staff increased the spawn not once but twice. This is how ulu ended up with insane, to an extent, broken spawn rates in comparison to other maps. Not to mention new source respawn rate (time it takes for mobs to reappear) became much shorter. New source also broke the equip drop table and jumped from 2x to ~15x. More than 3 years have passed with this broken spawn rate and drop rate. As a result, a road was paved to favor a trend. Archmage -> hs mule -> ulu leech -> hp-wash attacker -> boss. Some of you will remember how newbies in 2018 were told that they should delete their character and restart with a f/p mage +hs mule to grind their life in petri leech. Market was heavily inflated with excessive influx of raw mesos. Although newbies could quickly follow the same trend, the gap from veterans felt abysmally large. Current 20% drop nerf only lowers ~15x to ~12x which still is disgustingly higher than what royals advertises (2x). I believe pot price inflation was the alternative staff found to combat the inflation caused by abnormal drop rate. They probably thought reverting the drop rate back to 2x would cause too much shock so they splitted their ways of deflation. We'll need time to see if 5x pot price is enough or too much to cancel 6x higher drop rate but I think it can work out in long term. If your friend joined without knowing about the pot price inflation or ulu nerf, I doubt he'd find it back breaking but accept it as a norm. In conclusion, we were stuck in a broken, inflated economy for 3 years and we are too used to the comfort zone it provided. It's rough to move on due to the relative sense of deprivation but it's a necessary step.
Do you still feel that way given that one cannot viably leech until 130+ thus giving a frame of time (10 levels) in which a AMs just coming into 120 would have to just front the cash for the newly increased costs?
Definitely. I and many other AMs I helped still remember that triumphant moment when we acquired bliz/meteor for the first time. Being able to spam a 15 multi target spell from a 6 multi-target skill (for I/L) or long-term dot-damage poison, it alone is a massive QOL improvement despite the large mp usage. The grinding capability of AMs with their ultimate is still enough to overwhelm other classes who just reached their 4th job with useless mobbing abilities. If a true newbie AM grinded their way to 4th job, I doubt they'd be disappointed at the excessive cost following their ultimate but be mesmerized in the beauty and convenience of their new skill. If one only finds it disappointing or negative, I'd start suspecting ban evasion or they could be veterans (re)making AM purely for money printing purpose, not for having fun with their class.
Actually its still harder for a bishop, do you know the prices of Gene 20 and Gene 30 ? Getting a BS to 120 without any Attacking skill was really exhausting. Archmages really had it easy to reach 1 Hit at Ulu 1 and that gave really alot of mesos(already). People with more Accounts even forfeited Petri leech to, split farm Ulu1 because the drops were already insane high...
What is an AM actually used for outside of money making? Some people play the server for RP, some people play it to make mesos, some people play it to boss, some people play because the're in lockdown and they have nothing else better to do. At this point, AM is pretty much boarderline useless compared to a BS, as a result of this patch. Actually, BS's can level up pretty easily once you get HS. Priests are basically the only class that is allowed to sit around and do almost nothing while training. Just put on an audiobook and buff people as they walk by. I can agree on everything else, though. Gen20/30 are both fairly expensive; if a single book fails you could wind up looking at billions more in mastery books but that's always been an aspect of maple minus the rarity. I'm not even an AM and I can feel the impact from this patch already.
Just great , made a AM 15x now have to convert back to bish. Thank god i made a bish b4 my AM if not it would be tramautising. I agree with general consensus AM is useless now.
Maybe buff again a lil bit petris, but everything else should kinda stay that way, so it would be kinda fair for lategame leech for BS and for AM. Look at the prices of WS and CS, they will drop even more.
