The formula is quite convincing, I appreciate it. But I wonder why perf 1H axe with perf wa shield (30wa) can do better than 2H axe from dps table? Well, 2 people told me so, I don't get it.
Let's say you got 152 ATk axe, apple and like 50 ark gear. That's 302 in total. Now since 2h axe is around 8% stronger you'd need 24 more atk from the 1h axe to be on par with 2h. Perfect 1h axe and shield got 178 atk (26 more) and you also got the 20 str from the shield which is like 5 atk and guardian that makes you fall less and can be worth more atk
Okay so that make sense now... Thanks for helping me calculate the dmg. Hmm... overall what GMs did was making the axe and sword having similar DPS, in order to having more axe players. Ironically, their work has no significant effect.
Buffing cheap 2handed weapon become more powerfull than 2 handed sword or balance it , so u can sell cheap axe at higher price? seems good i got a perfect dragon axe long time ago havent sell. Btw 1 question if every 2handed weapon is well balanced (as u wish), so this game will become choose ur weapon skin but not choose ur weapon type? every1 will be same damage no matter which weapon they using? Sounds weird....diffrent weapon always comes with diffrent pros and cons and ofcuz diffrent price too, u cant balance them this is mmorpg...... Once i play a webgame,3 warrior classes wif difrent weapon and skill, but both of the weapon dmg/skill/wa/% is the same, only the skins is diffrent, it is so funny!others classes work as the same ahahaha...
Ermmm, and whats the benefit or the "pro" of the 2nd choice?and what you are describing is called "strategic dominance" and its a known caracterisc of a BAD DESIGNED mmporpg,not all games are like that..at least not the good ones. Its not about having the same dmg or buffing "my job" is having actual viable options instead of a really defined meta
Seems like you didn't read my post carefully. I didn't mention anything about making them the same DMG, instead I suggest GMs to make 2H axe & BW stronger than 2H sword since those weapons can only be used by pure heroes and pallys. 2H sword can be used for both jobs and it is stronger than other two weapons sounds fair for you I guess? As you mentioned you have a perfect axe in your inventory, then you should support my idea instead cuz you can get more mesos in the future, just like stocks do lol. And comparing a web game with Royals? SMH.
Every Mmorpg sure have strong and weak weapon,which mmorpg doesnt design like this? Example let say if they really buff 2handed bw/axe stronger than 2 handed sword,after few month u decided to use 2 handed sword but 2 handed sword aready become weaker than 2 handed bw/axe , so u asking for another buffing 2handsword stronger than 2 handed axe/bw? U choose urself buying cheap low quality product and u wan it comes with high quality with low price?imagine if u selling $500 phones but customer wan the specs better than $800 iphones? I think u guys forever wont understand Good luck With ur feedback,buffing become better is good but not buffing it stronger than other weapon,how do u feel if u are using 2 handed sword 1 day u wake up other weapons suddenly stronger than u?think bout other ppl not only urself...ppl will automatically support u.
GleamKnight:And comparing a web game with Royals? SMH. Now u might understand we cant compare cheap vs expensive things ... sound ridiculous rite?
Why do you assume I will use 2H sword one day? What's your logic all about? Let's say axe is stronger than sword now, and I am a pure hero. One day I reach lv.200 already, and have the thought of starting a new life on pally but not really wanna quit hero, so I can quit sell my weapon into sword since it is only little weaker than axe, and able to switch between the characters. That is what I mean bro. Every mmorpg? Please name some for examples? Which rpg has a job with multi kinds of weapons to choose? If so, do they ignore the other weapons because it is weaker, or people choose them because the weapons are having their own use? As I said, sword should be slightly weaker since it's it can be used for heroes and pally, but at the same time it is the strongest weapon, then whats the point of axe & BW existing? A well-done mmorpg won't design a crap that nearly no one wanna use. Well, at least decades ago Nexon didn't think that much to design it, they figured out the problems later on so they buffed axe & BW afterwards. That is what I am trying to tell now. Why should the weapons designed to be cheap, ignoring their own strength and characteristic? BTW why making real life cheap & expensive stuffs for example? The price depends on their cost and functionality, but how much does buffing axe & BW cost? Can a Nokia 3310 be redesigned to iPhone like how computer programs do? Oh, and have you ever think of axe hero's feelings? As if minority's opinions are not important at all.
Axes should not be made better than swords. Making another weapon obsolete just because you personally use axes is not a valid reason. You chose 2h axes knowing they were inferior to swords damage wise. They're still a viable option. Heck, going by this thread, the difference in damage might not even be that large at all. Either way, you aren't going to get people to agree with your suggestion if you're making it purely out of selfishness and disregarding how the proposed changes would effect other players and the balance of the game. The only suggestion I could make would be to make it so the damage of swords and axes are comparable if there actually is a large damage difference. Otherwise I don't see any reason to change anything.
There's something you misunderstand. My real purpose is to seeing more diversity of the playstyles in royals, not just meta only. I mean, how often can you meet a single axe hero while sword heroes are everywhere after the 4th job change patch? If you think the dmg difference is not large, then why axe heroes are still rare AF to find in Royals? Or this thought itself is just like you said, purely out of selfishness? If there's any way to change the community into not-meta only, please provide some meaningful helps instead. I mean, if we are not buffing it, how the heck can we make it shine? Turn nothing into useless, and making Royals better is my dream, after all. You can read my other thread and give some advice: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/suggestion-of-making-royals-better-perhaps.158835/
1. Much more cheaper 2. High WA 3. Big brandish number at lower range 4. Make u as one of a rare player
1. True, cuz its weaker, and less ppl like them. Things are not meant to designed to be cheap. 2. 2 wa higher only, and the multiplier of stab atk is a tragedy. 3. 4.6 and 4.8 multiplier are pretty close, not as big as you thought. 4. I rather not.
Gleamknight: Please name some for examples? Which rpg has a job with multi kinds of weapons to choose? If so, do they ignore the other weapons because it is weaker, or people choose them because the weapons are having their own use? Seems like u dun even play other mmorpg, i give an example Path of exile= You can equip Any/EVERY type of WEAPONS/ARMOR/SKill Gem/Aura gem/, aslong u have enuff str/dex/int,nearly thousands of equipment let u to choose, thousands of build u can make with 1 character, too bad they love to nerf if ppl figure out something OP. Many of my fren quit this game becuz they lov to nerf/buff anytime...this game require high iq/ big brain to play xD. Plenty of weak weapons and armor ppl ignoring to use, dun use if it is weak so simple.... no body force u to choose it, u choose urself and u blaming becuz it is weak?Try other mmorpg u will figure it out maple aready is so casual and easy... SHow u something this is path of exile passive tree= 1 level=1 point, max level 100,maximum 123point, The BIG NODES in the middle is where ur class starting location.Over 1200 passives nodes... dun choose it if u think they are useless, pick it if it is usefull, Easy... Common sense... https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Keystone <<< most pros and cons https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/List_of_notable_passive_skills https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/List_of_basic_passive_skills https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Cluster_Jewel new extended nodes
Yet again, an irrelevant example had made by you. Does Royals works like how this game do? Can we wear every equip if we are having enough stats? Jesus man I hope I can wear a bow as a warrior. Thus, over 1200 choices? Even the real Maple now doesn't have that much LOL. In Royals we only got 5 Jobs. With limited kind of weapons choices only, but still, the weaker ones got ignored. That's why I am asking for some changes, got it?
1. if today stonetooth was weaker, then its cheaper, simple as that lol. 2. 2wa higher is one thing, stonetooth with 10k range don't even enough to hit 100k easily with gelt, compare to the video u posted earlier? 3. 0.2 difference, compare with 100k and 95k per line, small difference? 4. Lel
Ok straight to the point , u choose it nobody force u to , Bye. If 1 day i told my fren hero player mapleroyal 2handed bw stronger than 2 handed sword ,i wonder what face expression comes from his face ,The Ignore button from profile is usefull u can press it xD. I aready press a few ppl .
1. ST is faster than almost all axes, so it's not weak, even if the axe buffed. 2. Why ST? What I am comparing is Claymore though? Axe is hard to 100k as well if your wa gears and LV are not high enough. I know it more than you, believe me. 3. What about stab atk? 4.6-3.4 = 1.2, compare with 50k and 95k per line, small difference?
