Unpopular Opinion: People who grind on CH 1 shouldn't feel entitled to the map

Controversial opinion, so please be respectful when sharing your point of view because I can anticipate this getting hate:

It irks me when I am passing by maps, say Coolies, and I heal once to keep myself alive and immediately people jump on me and tell me to CC. You're grinding on CH 1, the unquestionable most populated channel. There are going to be people passing by, noobs exploring, people coordinating/TPing to eachother on that channel, etc. I get if this is an extremely crowded, high level zone like Ulu then yes, disregard what I am saying here. But there are 15 other open channels for Ant Tunnel 1, if someone passes by and hits a few mobs for fun, it's not the end of the world.

Even more controversial opinion:

CH 1 should be a free for all. A lot of the fun back in GMS and reasons for wanting to get more damage was to hold your own in a ks war with someone trying to steal your map. When you saw that dexless sin come in and completely take over the map, it'd make you want to make a funded dexless sin yourself. Obviously the ks wars got out of hand and the community turned more and more toxic, but one channel that is designated as a free for all is not going to escalate things.

Open to discussion.

 

a ch 1 free-for-all sounds spicy af i'm here for it

 

I like controversial ideas

 

maybe they just want your love

 

I support CH1 being an execption to the map owner rule. 19 channels is enough to have your own safe space.

 

Back in the days, channel 1 was really just a ffa channel. So I don't mind having channel 1 ffa. For people who need to hunt certain items from mobs where ALL other channels have been owned, at least they can try their best to get some mobs in cc1.

 

I also support this idea!

 

Either it's all okay or none of it is.

I agree that people should be more polite when having people just walking by and not ksing their mobs or loots.
But asking for ch1 be free for all isn't really realistic when you have mini-bosses that drop NX and bosses like BF roaming around.

Not to mention how it would make the gms lives a nightmare dealing with legitimate ks reports

 

Good idea its getting annoying all that cc talk from everybody.

 

Fair point but I don't agree that it's an all or nothing. There can be an agreement that on bossing maps or very popular, late-game grinding maps that you can reserve channel 1.

 

Rules are black and white, and usually, there is a good reason why things are the way they are.

The map owner is here to protect your drops and used by the gms and common players to spot and report hackers. As long as map owner exists, The rule applies on all channels which are ch1 to ch20.
Now, let's be realistic. Map owner isn't going anywhere. What you are seeking is some type of social acceptance for you to roam around on ch1 without being asked to cc if you are hitting mobs (which you really shouldn't be doing it the first place).

Now if it's a social matter lets tackle it as one. I have been in situations where I have asked people politely to change the channel and not loot my drops/attack mobs just to be met with rudeness. So honestly, It just up to the person you have encountered.
But that besides my point. Let me ask you a very fair question: If we apply those same people to the situation where its "socially" acceptable for them to kill steal on one map, what would be the outcome? Do you think that to those who don't care for the rules or your vibes one map/channel would be enough?

All of this can be simply avoided altogether by communicating and moving on the next map or changing your channel, That is if you encountered someone who isn't on their best behaviour. In my experience, most people are really not like that.

So umm. About this whole free for all suggestion.

 

You make valid points but I don't agree with your premise at all. So rules are black and white in the sense that there's a clear distinction when you break it, i.e. your blood alcohol levels are above 0.08% then you are impaired and the second you drive a car you are drunk driving. But it's not all or nothing in the sense that if I am a 180 lb man and have a single drink, I will not go to jail for drunk driving. This is my premise for CH 1 map owner - just because the most populated CH (CH 1) is not confined to the parameters of map ownership, does not mean that it invalidates the existence of map ownership for the other 19 channels.

 

Some of the best memories are ks wars/ bf battles.

 

Genuinely unpopular opinion:

Make the game truly gMS-like and allow KSing entirely while having the players/social hierarchy dictate punishments. That's precisely how pre-BB gMS was like. You could KS all you want, but you'd have to deal with the social consequences - entire guilds following you and anybody who is your friend around, KSing them, defaming you/them to the point of being unable to wear gear, DCing you/them, the whole shebang. Honestly I liked the game play so much better back when we would police ourselves when it came to social issues. Sure, you might not care and can KS for hours on end, but your best friend who wants to grind/sell leech peacefully is now being KS'd (punished) for associating with you, and their only way out is to de-friend you, or for you to apologize and make amends - that'll impact your decision to KS in the first place just like it did on gMS. Nothing beats the memories of dozens of top players in a single map for hours on end battling it out to prove they're 'bout it. It always ironed itself out in the end, too.

 

Ksing is cool and all until its your turn. Having ~mapowner has really helped keep it down to a minimum.

 

Dont forget the pretty rampant dupes, 1x rates, Nexon taking 6 years to respond to hacking reports, guilds literally owning bosses like the mafia, and the unhealthy amount of microtransactions.

In my experience the only people who actively hate mapowner are the ones who either actively KS, or have been banned for it.

Also, not sure how it was on your server, but old Broa the top players/guilds didn't do any of that stuff because being like 30 levels higher than everyone else and in a group and holding down maps 24/7 meant you never had to actually lose a map. lol Also, anything guild level was mostly just petty feuds and none of it compared to the blacklists SouthPerry and Sleepwood forums had- if you got caught stealing a zak helm out of order (that you bought from them) your account was dead. People make fun of no-life WoW players but Maple was a completely different beast lol

 

I miss the competition GMS had. This + CPQ and actually trying to fight to win. Making new funded mules because you wanted to own in CPQ. Sometimes this safe space map owner/trade wins bs gets stale.

 

I want to reiterate the "social issues" portion of my post (in-game behavior/speech- things like word choice, KSing, spot stealing, 'bundle shop', IGNs, etc.). Duping/hacking/RWT (cheating) is not a social issue and the rates aren't either - I agree that we need the staff to be actively policing those things, but I feel more of their eggs could be placed in this basket should they withdraw their efforts from social issues and allow players to police it themselves. I think that most players agree that hacking/RWT are the two biggest issues on our server by far, and the resources we've allocated currently just aren't sufficient to combat the issue in its current state. That isn't to say the efforts made by our current staff aren't helping or greatly appreciated, please nobody interpret it as such.

I've never KS'd on Royals (have been KS'd, though) nor have I been banned for KSing. I was a part of the big top guilds of high leveled players who would be involved in these KS wars on gMS, though. I only have fond memories of it, even when I would be the one being KS'd, or when I'd stay up all night to partake despite having class in the morning - my only regrets are not engaging in them even more, they were so so so so so much fun.

In Scania (especially, vengeance was almost always involved) and Bera this stuff was rampant - I'm sure I can find it for top guilds in Broa in a matter of seconds, lemme YT rq.

Jjang (LoOpedd's guild) and Guildless KS war @ Himes (literally the first result when I looked for Broa KS war):


Bonus:
Tiger in a KS war before ever reaching #1 on the rankings, about as old school as it gets - KSing is embedded into the roots of our game


A lot of people have a misconception that things weren't taking place back in the day simply because they didn't see it or they weren't involved in it - just like how people think that leech and HP washing weren't "gMS like and nostalgic". They weren't to them because they weren't doing it, their friends weren't, and they weren't at a level/status where they were participating in activities with people who were. In their minds it wasn't a common thing. In actuality, when you got to that level/involved with that crowd, you'd very soon be faced with the reality that it is a common thing...just only among the 'elites' (high leveled, known guilds, actually participating in the top tier bosses) and not the casuals (lower leveled, unknown guilds, not participating in the top tier bosses). What reason would Joe Schmo level 100 from an unknown guild have to know about or be participating in a KS war at Gobies with 4 top guilds composed of players level 140+? None whatsoever, in his mind it never even took place.

I agree with you on that for sure, at the top level (socially) MapleStory was absolutely ruthless. I loved every second of it - no memories from any game compare do those days of gMS. I think that example only goes to show the power that social policing can have on a game like this - one wrong judgement call that wasn't made right and you could be exiled from the "in crowd" permanently. In a similar situation to gMS; imagine somebody were remorselessly KSing Tim (just using somebody well known and respected by most active players) for hours on end, you really think that player would then have a chance to join the Fry Clan, participate in boss runs with any of Tim's friends/guild mates, or with players who know of the incident and disagree with the player's decision to KS Tim? I sure don't. I like the idea of that player being punished socially and allowing the feud to brew opposed to having it shut down via a ban without any social 'drama' or social repercussions. We all like to pretend that we want some perfect game with no drama but any time drama does surface, everybody wants a piece, it's the most talked about thing, posted about thing, commented on thread, you name it - the bigger the incident the more involvement it attracts. Many clearly do enjoy it and find it entertaining despite what we often portray in these types of discussions.

I realize that this isn't actually ever going to happen, and I'm just expressing myself for the sake of it (and for those few others who feel the same way I do), but it's an enjoyable discussion to have (for me) so I'm cool with this falling on deaf ears lol

 

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