Unpopular Opinion: People who grind on CH 1 shouldn't feel entitled to the map

Well even back in pre-BB GMS, KSing was considered a bannable offense under harassment. Obviously it was rarely enforced, but there have been cases of players getting banned when KS wars got out of control (as these things are wont to do). And it was something that began to be enforced more and more as the server progressed. Part of people policing these social issues by themselves is directly establishing a community environment with GMs who have been tasked with enforcing the rules of this server.

Besides, these kind of things would unfortunately never even unfold like those videos you posted. Much like party quests and boat travel, KS wars are one of those nostalgic relics that would never quite play out the way we fondly remember them in this server's meta. In Royals it would essentially just be a matter of which mage is lucky enough to press their ultimate button at the right time lol. That said, none of the suggestions here would ever be realistically implemented. Even if limited to one channel, it would lead to an unreasonable administrative burden for both players and staff in determining whether a KS report had occurred in the free-for-all channel or in a protected channel. But as you've said, this conversation is certainly an interesting reflection of what people value in this server in terms of social interactions and gameplay progressions.

 

It shouldn't be so much of an hassle as people here think. Simply a note could be added when using ~mapowner at ch1 saying something along the lines of "Note: map owner rule does not apply to channel 1 " and still show the map "owner" for the purpose of reporting hackers. On the other channels,it would display normally.

 

As one of the most active users on Southperry we definitely didn't have a blacklist for that. That was strictly sleepywood, they treated themselves like they were the outside law of Maplestory.

Intellectually disthonest tbh. KS wars were *always* seen as childish and dumb. iPunketOz was the most infamous BFer's in the game for like 2 years. Even goolging for examples, you're left with minimum to go on.

It was extremely disheartening/frustrating because you lost your EXP card that cost actual money and caused arrogant/toxic relationships. When my friend was one of the top 5 bowmasters in Bera (Honestly I think he was top 2, jokers2edge vs DarthVader), I remember him having near mental breakdowns because they'd go into ks wars with him at Grims/Vikings over the most petty shit just to slow his level process down.

KS wars weren't parties to everyone and was just another form of bullying, it was a crass/immature method used until DC hacking was utilized, which was like late 2007 into 2008 irrc. Those people stopped doing ks wars and started doing DC hack wars, those weren't "hardcore players who were just in a ruthless competitive environment!!" They were children looking to control others in their small world.

 

Was it? It's been like 15 years since I got a Zhelm thru whichever one had the zak schedule. God I feel old.

 

Yeah 100% sleepywood, southperry didn't deal with that stuff. Fiel/Eos were pretty adamament of keeping in game drama, well in game. Southperry was mostely data extraction discussion/discussions the state of the game

 

Maybe to you, and you're totally allowed to feel that way about them! You do not have to agree with me (hence the "genuinely unpopular opinion" part, lol!).

I don't know what some random dude being an "infamous BFer for like 2 years" has to do with anything that I said. I was involved in them, this isn't some "I heard", "I read" or" my friend told me so and so" claim. I assume the "googling examples" was because of the Broa video that I Youtubed? It was to show Evan that it was a thing in his world (Broa) too because he said that top players on his server had not (to his recollection) been involved in KS wars, and the one of Tiger was to show the deep roots KSing has in our game (regardless if you think that it is good or bad).

I've been in KS wars with or against (despite being friends) all of those guys-Adam, Sammy, Eddie, Louis-I'm sure these names ring a bell (especially the first one). Sure, I don't deny that plenty of people didn't enjoy them, just like plenty of people didn't enjoy other aspects of the game, but my point was that I liked KS wars, some others did too, and that it was a part of the nostalgic pre-bb experience just like HP washing, leech, etc. were.

KSing was still a common thing despite DC (both whisper spam and map crash variations). Skeles and Himes were two locations that were aggressively KS'd at arguably greater rates than Zombies and Gobies were back in the day.

One of the top guilds in Scania (Vengeance) was notorious for getting into massive KS wars with other top guilds. These weren't some random hacker kids like you are portraying them as, they were top level players who put in a fuck ton of legitimate hours, hard work, and were engaging in the highest game play at the time-being in the first groups to take down Horntail, Zakum speed runs, etc.. KS wars did not go away in our version of the game (~V83), even upon the release of dungeons it was still common at Anego/BF (remember the bigfoot police series?!).

Edit: Also, lol yeah the sw.net zak schedule and post your picture threads were absolute goldmines back in the day.

Those videos are old and I am not at all saying that KSing was only taking place back before fourth job or higher leveled players. It took place on the same maps with the same jobs and skills that we have on Royals. Mages spamming ultimates at Skeles is precisely what the KS wars were on gMS in the same version(s) as Royals - during 2x events it was a straight up gong show, Peruvians with no social standing to lose would hit the maps of even top tier players and they wouldn't muster a damn word for the entire duration lmao.

 

Guy was kind of a dick and terrorized a lot of players.

My point is that there isn't many examples of them because KS wars beyond like 4 people weren't exactly common place. I don't think showing literally the top 1 player dealing with a KS war is generous either since the point wasn't culture but just to fuck with him and slow him down.

Wow you really did know the old gang, impressive. I can take a few shots of who I think you are based on your typing style but it be a shot in the dark.

I think that is a false equivalency, all those things are game mechanics and more like shortcuts than anything. Ksing is a form of harassment, if it wasn't I believe we would be seeing more KS parties that are done for fun and not for map ownership or deny a player the right to play the game.

A ks war is started a lot of the of the times in those maps (JR newties as well was another big one) but would end with someone getting DC hacked.

I'm a little iffy on mini bosses since they should be FFA generally in any other game. They did those things to exploit their elitism, it was to keep that competitive edge so they didn't have to fight for maps, or deny those the ability of progress. Also taking into consideration that only a few maps would deal wiht this problem, KS wars can be artifically made in Royals, it's just agreed on FFA on a map. If it was as fun/popular/game changing as you suggest than we would see these as more of a "common place" event. I personally disagree with the notion that those things weren't ever done out of spite, I certainly didn't enjoy them.

 

Make channel 1 great again! And make a Bigfoot party quest. Where it is just a Bigfoot duel...