Hey guys, I am thinking of scrolling my own perfect nisrock so that is why I could use some advise by a more experienced scroller. So, if you did scroll a 140 Nis, please help me out to make a decision So assuming I have enough 105att Nisrocks at hand. After that what is the best way to scroll the perfect 140? Would I go 2x30% and then ws+10% the other 5 slots? If I do so I would have to consider like 5*10=50 Ws = 25b? Whats the best strategy and how expensive is it? Thank you for any tipps or help Best regards and happy mapling!
I have a different advice for you. How about you go with a Dragon Shiner Bow? Its stronger, and is quite likely to be endgame or nearly endgame weapon. Maybe the only thing is its not easy to get, but if you plan on scrolling so intensively and spend a lot on it, maybe go with something better now, not something temporary you would replace later. But again, I'm not 100% sure if Dragon Shiner Bow is easy to get to be able to do scrolling with it. I dont see it much in FM, maybe you cant craft it with Maker or Maker doesnt exist here. Also what about Reverse or Timeless Engaw? Despite the fact, no one can go to Pink bean yet. Maybe you can get it from other ways. If the only option you have is a Nisrock, I suggest using 1 30% on first slot, and use 10%'s with ws if you can afford that, its very expensive. 2 30%'s to me seems a little too difficult, 1 is enough. But you decide, of course.
Ty for your answer! However, I was looking for some experiental repots if you will If anyone happens to come across this thread and actually made a 140 nissey, please enlighten me about how you made it Thank you
I did some simulations of 30% scrolls. My findings say that for each success with a 30% scroll, you will of course use 3.33 scrolls, hence the 30%. If you keep scrolling until getting succes with ws, you will use ca. 1.17 items. Which means on average it will cost you 3.33 30% scrolls and 1.17 of an item to get success. If you do the same without ws, it will still cost you 3.33 scrolls, but the amount of items goes up to ca 2.33. Doing some experiments to check what it costs to do the different alternatives with a 1b nisrock, neglecting 10%/30% scroll price. 10% + ws: 500*10 = 5000m 30%+ws: 1170+500*3.33 =2835m + 30% : 2330 = 2330m I even graphed this depending on the nisrock price to make a point. (Yes I am bored). Spoiler: Graph So from this you can get that if your perfect nisrock cost less than 1603m it will be worth it to only 30%. If its cost is between 1603m and 2850m it will be best to 30%+ws. If the cost of it is above 2850m it will be worth it to 10%+ws. I'll write a guide instead of rambling here, this was surprisingly interesting.
I really like what you did here. My math isnt the best but I've always wanted to know how to calc these stuff. Would you be able to help us create a spreadsheet, where we can input price of ws, 30%, 10%, and item cost, then it could show us what you said above Calcing the chances of 10% and 60% scrolls is as far as I could do as 30% and 70% has conditional probability where them item would go boom.
Thank you for your answers guys. @kyoko: well, 4*30% is like a little over 1.1% total? I am a little concerned it will ever happen but I can still go 2*30% now and see how many workpieces I get anyway. @ok50 special thanks for all that intense math you applied there. Appreciate the effort and details. One thing I was wondering, is that you consider ws + 30%. Isnt that extra chance of booming much worse than any potential benefit?
The risk of booming is calculated. Therefore it's only worth it to 30%+ws the first slot if the price of the item is between 1603m and 2850m. It's worth the risk because it's on average cheaper to do it this way, would I risk it with a 2b item? No. But if I made godly items on a regular basis/wanted profits, I would use the cheapest method 10/10 times. I would only use 10%'s+ws if the item was valued at above 2850m. I made a guide about it. It is WIP, you can find it in the guides forum.
makes sense. Ill check your guide out ty. As I do not want to make profit, just have it cheap, one could say - according to your graphs, indeed the cheapes way is get a 3-4b nisrock as a base (which is already at around 4*30%) and then ws + 10%. I think now after all that, this seems to be the cheapest way to me
