New world? Wipe? What?

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  1. Falco
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    I would enjoy the rates, but for me you pick the absolute worst time to suggest this. I'm just starting school up, senior year, and I've been getting homework everynight. I don't have time to grind and keep up with others, and I know many others are starting school..

    I do agree it would be fun to have a CHALLENGING Bpq where a lot of decent/strong players still struggle with completing it. As well as another server, I rather the second option where it takes more time. Taking more time is never a bad thing. :/

    I know how hard it would people worked for their current equips and was thinking, maybe we could all start level 1, real low nx. But be able to keep some of our current items :/
     
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    Lower rates *_* anything between 3x to 7x
     
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    If its possible to have two worlds with different rates that be awesome and i'd vote yes! But I vote no for lowering the rate currently.

    I'd also be for a level cap raise, or v83.

    Does v83 bring more jobs? I really dislike everything past pirate. If its only aran + cyg, i guess v83 would be alright.
     
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    Wipe wipeeee!

    - Too many items due to easy exploits that shouldn't exist, though no one can know for sure what is legit and what is not.
    - Lot of game changing updates which has mixed up things.
    - Game changing bugs/problems that were fixed later on, causing imbalance between players gear/wealth-wise.
    - Many other imbalancing factors, biggest of all Gacha/Nx/AP reset drops. Those also make HP washing and getting good items from gacha way too easy, -cough- 17k hp BM a month after beginning the server, potentially 20k, and without blood washing. Way beyond easy, if you know the effort massive HP washing usually takes.
    - Few too many flawed events (potentially nice), which, with the prices they had, might have worked if the server had thousands of players. But since we didn't have that many players, cake bosses were easily controlled by a couple of players leaving them, if correctly used, with an immense wealth, way beyond what most of you can guess. And since we didn't have that many players, no OP angry masks came out into circulation from the other event. Leaving the few guys who were able to do the event with best possible masks, which potentially more ambitious and dedicated players could never come even close to. Reasonable since they worked hard for it? Not, since no doubt way more people that are currently playing could have obtained it as well, but yet are here without any chance of obtaining it. Not to even mention the difference chaosing those made.
    - Equip drop-rate is way too high. Making 1b pure mesos, no gacha/nx or AP resets counted in, in a day by merely grinding at the best exp grinding spot is 5-10 times as high as what I think is reasonable. There are even better spots for money farming.

    Other rates are quite fine though. For a version with more content that is. For example just getting a character for a great Blessing of the fairy effect in the newer versions can easily almost double the time spent on grinding only, which would mean the same amount of time as you spend on 5x, just with more variety. And PB is always the great goal that will keep people working on their gear, if the competition isn't enough.

    But, even though I think there is no other suitable pre-bb low-rate server out there for a competitive new player to start, and this could become one, I feel like this server's main attractions and reason for quick success are also amongst its flaws. Getting AP resets, gacha and NX from drops gives the player a better feeling of progression. And due to easily obtainable mesos and huge supply of scrolls etc., while the prices for the items remain seemingly in the range of what's believed to be "normal", due to huge supply, the casual players can buy them quite easily and will feel like they progress even more, even though they are just being deceived by the pricing, meaning the valuable things they buy are in reality way below what they subconsciously think they are worth, due to having stock values for the items from previous servers.
    Anyways, my point was this is server is attractive for the casual players, and probably is the reason for the success.

    Just to clarify a bit, if we get 10x the items and 10x the money in here than in similarly rated servers, the prices will mainly remain the same since the ratio is the same. Though we with the 10x rate reach the limit obtainable through those with 10x speed compared to the counterpart, which is great for the casual players, but horrible for the ones who are looking for a long lasting progressive experience. And the 10x rates are just an example, though I honestly don't think those are that far away from the reality.



    This is no 1x server of course, which is what I always hear after saying something like that. But this is in fact easy in comparison to higher low-rated servers.
     
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    Yes, but later. As in, maybe in a year?

    Right now you/we have a good thing going, let's enjoy that first and let it expand. Majority of the population don't even have a zakum helm or a high level character, let alone HT necklace.

    So I vote we keep it more or less the same for now, fix HT bug and other bugs and let people enjoy the old school Maple. When everybody has a HT necklace and level 200 chars, we can talk about v.83 or another server.
     
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    there simply isnt a large enough community for something like this, i feel like we still need MORE people in the world we currently have, to split those people into two different worlds would just make the game dead.

    i like maple royals the way it is. the only reason people's journeys are coming to an end so quickly is because they play 14+ hours a day. if they actually had a life and played in moderation, this server would last them a year or two at least.
     
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    i agree with this. screw new worlds BPQ and APQ please
     
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    In my opinion you should set up another server as in "Bera" and make it like v32 remove the option to go to leafre and make it a 3rd job only server with lower rates and also you would have to party with people like in the old days.
     
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    I really hate the idea of a second server. Having more than one server to play on in a game like wow makes sense, because they have thousands of players online at any given time. Here we are lucky to have 100. I don't think it would be smart to split the community up.

    To me, the problems I'm hearing people complain about (other than high end content) are as a result of people's choices of how they are playing the game. Just because bishop leech is the easy way, doesn't mean that's the way you should go.

    I've tried to ask about viking parties or squid parties and I swear people look at me like I have two heads. If you're bored, then restart your characters and do it the right way.

    Lower the exp rate on the current server and let's do some grind parties people!

    And is the horntail announcement turned off? Cause I never see anybody doing horntail. Isn't that something these bored people could be doing as well?
     
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    Horntail is bugged.
    And restarting your character again and again is boring.
     
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    I'd love a new, say, 4x server. There are several things this would require or at least would be good ideas to make it a success though:
    -Fix a lot of quests. This is one of the biggest factors in the whole "nostalgic" experience and is also one of the main ways to level up on lower rates.
    -Fix PQs and release custom ones. This would give the players something to do with each other as well as providing decent exp.
    -Have organized event schedules. On lower rates, being able to participate in events or at least knowing when they are is crucial, and I know a lot of players would appreciate it.
    -Have month-long events, perhaps like scavenger hunts or a task list or something that would provide a good amount of entertainment to players, with decent prizes as rewards.
    -Less NX per vote. Just to make it harder.
    -KEEP IT AT V62. The whole idea of lowering the rates is to make it more challenging.

    Oh and a potential solution to the leech problem would be to implement something like Destiny has, where if the someone in the party doesn't attack for a span of 20 seconds they basically stop getting exp, or only get like 5% of what they would. That way, bishops are still useful to people but they have to do work themselves as well.

    Just my thoughts.

    Oh and please don't wipe the server. I'm pretty sure a lot of us would rather not see all our hard work deleted.
     
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    Wait. So the only endgame content we have is bugged and we're talking about starting a second server?

    That makes sense. Not. ~f7
     
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    the way i see it, why fix something that isnt broken?

    the server has generated the highest population for a gms-like v62 server out of all the others on the gtop100 rankings.

    you guys got a good player base for a reason, i HIGHLY reccommend AGAINST changing things.

    if players are bored you could always implement things to keep them going.

    custom-made pqs, new collectable items, new bosses, new content in general. you don't always have to resort to simply making things more time-consuming (i.e. lowering rates, wiping). i mean if you wiped, i know i personally would quit, i dont know about anyone else, i've put in a good amount of time leveling my char and i am uninterested in having to do that ALL OVER AGAIN. so please, don't wipe it. lowering the exp rates is pointless, because then the higher levels have an advantage over the new comers. trust me when i say this, your server does need to change, but you could add more content. seriously try doing something like that. fixing major bugs would also help make the server more playable. maybe consider raising the level cap to 255? perhaps while you're at it, you could add hell channels or party quests? maybe do other things like host more events to get certain items and scrolls............? maybe add in a vote point reward system instead of just having it give 4k nx and nothing else. these are all just suggestions, but i still urge you not to change/lower the rate or wipe the server. i think that would end your server personally. i don't think mapleroyals would recover from a wipe, but that's just my opinon.
     
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    exactly what i was gonna say.
     
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    I'm sorry but where did you get 14 hours a day? Please don't say people have no lives just because they're high levels. The vast majority of us have jobs/school/extracurriculars or any combination of them. It's a 10x exp server bud. If you AREN'T 160+ after a few months of casual playing on a normal character, that would be surprising. Very rude.
     
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    I'm against a wipe and also against a second world.

    I would like:
    * more custom content
    * working PQs
    * more high lvl content
    * system so people can't AFK leech

    If this server is SOOOO easy, how come I see at least 1 leecher in every skele chan?

    On a side note, I don't understand how people make billions a day.
    I'm a Bishop and I make 100m on a good day...
    I also don't understand how people gached 4..6.. ws/chaos scrolls a day before. It took me 2 months to get my first chaos scroll, and I gached every bloody day!

    Enlighten me please...
     
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    Its crazy that you post this Matt, I was strongly considering quitting here soon...

    From surfing the forums, which I do quite often, I see a few common gripes among the players;

    -Bishop dependence
    -Lack of end-game content
    -General lack of things to do, mostly due to people leveling so fast.

    First things first, another server is a big no for me. That splits the community and staff in half, and costs you more money. That's all I have to say about that.

    In my humble opinion, I see 2 plausible changes.

    -Keep v62, no wipe, perhaps lower rates (although this puts people who are just starting at a huge disadvantage), custom content to entertain us higher level characters (I'm against custom content on any private server. I want the actual GMS experience as close as realistically possible.)

    -Upgrade to v83, wipe, ~5x rates (Puts everyone at the same level as well as well as giving everyone a fresh start.), no custom content as the upgrade itself adds tons of content.

    I don't see the point in a wipe without an upgrade, it wouldn't really solve anything, just restart the path to the same destination. I for one, am in favor of a wipe and upgrade to v83. I joined about a month ago, I'm 144 and have done everything besides HT. *inb4 no life* I play at most 4 hours a day, and that's only if there is NOTHING else to do. Its too easy and I'm bored. The biggest thing keeping me here is the community and staff.

    On a sidenote, I don't know about the source for v86 (Balance Patch) but would it be possible to upgrade to v86 instead of v83? The only difference would be Dragon Rider PQ, Neo City upgrade, and Evans, this patch really made a lot of positive changes for more underplayed classes. I don't know if this would make things more difficult, but if you could, it would be even better than a v83 upgrade. Maybe even just implement the changes for said classes but keep it v83? Idk, shooting ideas around, not sure on how all that works.
     
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    Thanks for all the replies so far.

    I think that just changing the rates but not wiping would not work very well at all. That would just make the game ultra-unfair.

    I like the idea of making leeching no longer worthwhile. In my opinion leeching take a hell of a lot of fun out of the game, but I can see why people do it if it is currently the fastest way to level up. It should be possible to change the party exp formula to making leeching worthless while still making partying with people good exp.

    Adding a new world would not mean having another server so there would not be any extra costs involved. But I do think I think that it would have a negative affect on the community. It is also quite hard to implement, and would hate to do it and then see MapleRoyals burn and die.

    I can see 3 feasible options if we were to make a change. One of which is much easier and in my opinion better than the others. But it's your opinions that count, especially our loyal users'.

    1) Increase level cap to 250 or 255 and WZ edit new class skills, maps, higher level content, bosses etc. This is possible, but a lot of hard work.

    2) Wipe the server and lower the exp rate. Obviously the easier option, but would be very upsetting to a lot of people but will also have a lot of advantages. Mainly there would not be any duped equipment, or anyone with items made before the white scroll/chaos change, it would allow us to sort out leeching, it would also give us more time to implement the higher level content since it will take users longer to get to that stage, it will make pq's a lot more worthwhile, and basically make the game more fun. Obviously if this happened we would ensure that all the PQ's were sorted out before the wipe took place, and ensure all the little things like the chair quest on maple island worked and stuff like that.

    3) Change to a different version, however this would most likely also require a wipe. A lot of in game features would need to be recoded and a lot of bugs would need to be re-fixed. Again, quite a lot of work but possible.
     
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    as far as i know the server hasn't been out for a few months even. and i got the number from several high level players. they actually said theyve been playing 8-14 hours a day. i wish i was kidding. but of course not everyone is like that. and no it isnt rude, i never called anyone out by name nor did i put anyone down, i simply made an observation.
     
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