Why afk mule in bpq should be encouraged

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    3 people gets gift while two other actives dont, without you its 3 actives not receiving reward.

    Better for new/bad players, they maybe not as good hit balloon and want jiggy piece, chances of getting it higher if they end up playing vs afker. If they teamed up with actives theyd lose anyways.
    Chance of playing vs afker rather than with is 50% higher than with.
    Another player increase current exp event.

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    50% higher probability of playing against your mule instead of with.
    Actually chance of winning with afking char, especially if enemy team has afker too
     
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    Bro i'm serious about this, only my opinion, you do not have to agree. To me afking is no issue, I get afker in my team i just afk myself, no big loss. What's even worse is when people dictate and refusing to play only because the team refuses to obey instructions, baiting me into wasting these minutes on a game I really don't want to win even.
    The blacklist for afking ballooners is a joke because people with higher social status in this community gets away with everything anyways
     
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    Also for next year would be fun if there could be a leaderboard of some sort involving wins and win % etc.
     
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    We decided to give both losing and winning teams 25 candles each for participation.
    If you are choosing to purposely afk during these events then why bother? If your answer is "because 25 candles" then maybe we should reconsider taking away the 25 candles if you lose.

    We added it for everyone to get a reward-- not for it to be abused by people want to purposely afk in a PQ designed for competitive play.
    By the way, we have a client limit in place to avoid people who want to afk farm the losing 25 candles.

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    Your leaderboard is a great idea, however advocating for afk farming the 25 candles defeats the whole purpose of the PQ, and the leaderboard itself if everyone afks.
     
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    In my point of view it seems like it's because you want to avoid TOO many afk players otherwise you would have strictly forbid people to do so. Spoke to matt yesterday he said it's allowed to play on two computers at once in cake for that matter.
     
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    Obviously the point is for nobody to AFK, it completely ruins the experience of the PQ not only for the losing team but also makes it boring for the winning team. We just don't currently have a rule about banning anyone doing this, as the restriction is made in a way that should allow multiple players from the same household be able to play. But you are clearly just being a jerk by using a second computer, AFK'ing, and ruining the gameplay experience... All for what... 25 candles? What is wrong with you?
     
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    Yeah sure I get your point, from my point of view however I'd be happier with afking mules making me more likely to win a reward, only my opinion.
    None the less I`ll stop afking since it seem to upset alot people although I talked to several others agreeing with my opinion.

    If possible I'd suggest historical win ratios where people with obviously different skill levels would get matched together to force a 50% win rate. A leaderboard of some sort would be fun aswell I think you had a haloween pie guild leaderboard of some sort before.
    I won my first balloon pq then it took me over ten games to win a second one. Since the parties consist of so few participants, th impact of each player is too high and the current system favors frequent player too much now in my opinion.
    I like how you change the drop rates of cake etc alot because new meta => unpredictability, but it gets figured out very quickly, sadly.
     
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    Welp.
     
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    Well, did stop for a while only to start again because facing other people doing the same.
     
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    I think there should be a minimum hit requirement for candle reward to discourage afk'ing in BPQ.
     
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    Wouldn't eliminate the problem but for sure make it tougher
     
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    If you lose the reward is 25 candles no matter what. Candles are kind of hard to come by so... this is actually a pretty good reward.

    If you win, you get a random box but does it actually give anything good? Idk, I haven't done much balloon PQ but the lose reward seems more consistent.

    I'm not saying it's right to AFK because it "ruins" the experience for other people. I just think the event maybe could have been designed better. Maybe the losing team gets scaled rewards based off how much damage they do to the balloon? Or each player gets scaled rewards? Idk.

    I think we shouldn't blame the player, just blame the game. Not that the player is right, but that's just how online games (and life) works. People try to exploit the system for their advantage all the time. Look at things like HP Washing, using mules, FM button. Anything. It's just the nature of things lol
     
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    I feel inclined to blame the player just as much as the game when their exploitation of the system for their advantage directly ruins the experience of other players. This is very different from HP washing or muling. Especially given OP's recent ban appeal, this thread has aged poorly.

    I do agree that BPQ can definitely use some improvements, but these are all issues that the staff has made clear that they are aware of and plan to remedy next year.
     
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    If not for the downside of ruining other people's experiences, I personally would find it advantageous to BPQ and afk loss all the time since candles are so hard to come by. BPQ is one of the few ways to get candles consistently, so the 25 candles for loss reward is quite significant. They should at least be tradeable or something. It's a bad design all around imo lol. What even is the point of trying to win?

    The fact that some people are less scrupulous, especially on the internet, and are willing to afk at BPQ is not surprising. Blacklisting, shunning, or banning the players who do stuff like this is somewhat viable because this is a relatively small community. But it's avoiding the heart of the problem so imo is not really worth the time or thought.


    P.S. Also, that Spoooxer guy seems at least somewhat articulate and open to discussion, yet seems a bit conflict prone, has a minority opinion (at least on the forums), and is backed into a corner here. Maybe he's said some more egregious stuff I've missed, but on this thread he has a pretty innocent idea from where he's coming from but is just getting ridiculed. He raises some good points.

    There are much worse people than him on the internet.
     
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    For the most part, those that AFK in BPQ are doing so by accident, rather than purposely to farm candles on up to ~10 different accounts by abusing the multi-client checks we have in place. We can see this by the amount of reports about AFK'ing players we receive, and by checking their related accounts. Currently there seems to be only one player that stands out for abusing this system.

    Essentially everyone else seems to respect the gameplay mechanics of BPQ, and attempt to try to win when they enter BPQ. This is due to the possible rewards of NX, Pyrope weapons, and the chance of getting a White Scroll or Chaos Scroll from the Treasure Map reward.
     
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    Yeah i go there when i cake and leave my mule thete
     
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    And by afking not mean afk from start always, giving up aswell
     

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