New world? Wipe? What?

the only way lowering the rates would be fair, is to lower anyone who is above level 100 down to 100, otherwise changing the rates is completely unfair. the grind wil always be there, after you reach level 200 on one char, there's no reason why you cant do it again on another char. i mean the whole point of this server is really to grind... on top of that, you'll ruin the nostalgic feeling of the server if you raise the level cap, i dont know why i even suggested that.

TLDR: please just leave the server how it is, please. i love the server how it is.


EDIT: only changes i would be happy with is bug fixes.

just get more PQs working that require teams then itll give the server much more replay value.

Examples would be, CWKPQ, GPQ, LMPQ, ETC

 

eewwwwwwww matt dont raise level cap to 250/255

 

if you really want to make the game harder, add horntail in, buff him to hell, set a low time limit of like 1 hour, make it so that no matter how godly you are, youll need to band together with like 10+ other godlies or like 25+ mediocre players just to be able to defeat him. MAKE BOSS BATTLES EPIC AGAIN!

 

If you do a wipe, v83 would be the best option to keeping your player base together. Along with fixing the bosses and such. The new content from v83 would be great and maybe you can even code in a BossPQ.

However, creating a new world, or just wiping and lowering the rates will not do much for this server. You will probably lose a lot of your player base. High level players that become butt-hurt because they lost everything. Low level players that lost all of the progress they already made and would have to repeat everything that they just did so soon. It would not be a great idea, especially since it is towards the end of the month and there is a reset in GTop rankings.

Simply put, JUST wiping the server and lowering the rates would not be good enough to keep the majority of your current player base. There are already existing low rate servers that are v62; however, MapleRoyals is currently the top in rankings for a reason. It's either these obnoxiously low rate servers or obnoxiously high rate servers and players happened to try MapleRoyals and liked it enough to stay.

If you are trying to remedy the lack of content complaints that the current high level player base is raging about, then perhaps adding in content would be a better option. I have read that Horntail is bugged and that is a big part of bossing in terms of "end game content." If that isn't enough, then perhaps adding in a custom Boss Party quest that gives points for rewards would remedy it.

Doing a wipe and lowering the rates would only make players reach end game slower and then they reach the same dilemma of the lack of content and once again complain. Along with that will also be a substantial loss in your current player base.

TL; DR - If you do wipe, upgrade to v83. Otherwise just keep it the way it is and add in content to appease the players "who have already reached end game." (Such as a Boss PQ or fixing HT)

All in all, this is just my opinion and the decision is ultimately up to the Admins.

Edit: I will also put this out there that there is a lack of decent low rate v83 servers out there and I am sure there are plenty of people looking for one. Most v83s are absurdly high rates with a ton of wz edits.

 

v83 introduces (not 100% on ALL of this so no flames if I'm mistaken)

-80/20 leech, helping to reduce the dependence on Bishops.
-Ele Wand fixes to nerf Holy damage, another balance to Bishops, these 2 combined would have a great effect on reducing the need for leech.
-CWKPQ, more content for higher levels to do.
-Temple of Time, more content for higher levels, while also helping to kill Skele leech since Skeles are no longer the end-game grinding mob, and I'm almost positive the Knights in ToT are not Holy weak as well.
-Pink Bean, the ultimate pinnacle of bossing. Gives us a reason to hit 200 since you practically have to be 19x to even survive here.
-Dojo + Belt slot, I always really liked Dojo, and its more content for a variety of levels.
-Targa/Scarlion, more content for higher levels!
-Aran, more content.
-I think Nett's Pyramid PQ is in there somewhere as well? If so, something else for people to work towards as Immortal Pharaoh's Belt is the best belt in the game iirc.
-Reverse equips, something more for higher levels to work toward.

I don't see any negatives here, v83 just seems like v62 with more stuff to do, the only major difference being the Aran class. I've heard the v83 source is really stable as well, meaning that (hopefully) a patch up wouldn't add a WHOLE lot of things to fix.

My suggestion is a server wipe + upgrade to v83 that has v86 balance patch changes, as to increase class variety/viability. Everyone would start at the same level, every class would be viable, and there would generally be a lot more to do.

EDIT: v86 Balance Patch notes if anyone is interested.

Spoiler

Magician

o Fire Arrow: Now attacks multiple targets depending on skill level.

o Thunder Bolt: Range for this skill has increased.

o Elemental Amplification: The magic attack has increased for higher skill levels.

o Explosion: Damage has increased and the casting time was reduced depending on skill level.

o Meteor Shower: Damage has increased, while MP cost was reduced.

o Fire Demon: Damage has increased for each skill level.

o Paralyze: Damage has increased for each skill level.

o Blizzard: Damage has increased for each skill level.

o Ice Demon: Damage was increased for each skill level.

o Chain Lightning: Damage has increased for each skill level.



- Pirate

o Certain abilities can now shoot from close range.

o Double shot: The range has been increased and damage has increased per skill level.

o Recoil Shot: The delay between uses has been decreased.

o Flamethrower: The range of this ability has been increased and damage has increased per skill level.

o Energy Charge: The chance of activating Power stance has been increased.

o Energy Blast: The range of this ability has been increased. There is now a chance to stun the target per skill level.

o Ice Splitter: The range of this ability has increased. Damage has increased per skill level.

o Rapid Fire: The range has been increased and damage has been increased per skill level.

o Battleship: The battleship now has more health.

o Elemental Boost: Damage has increased and the freeze duration has increased.

o Demolition: The range of the attack has increased.

o Dragon Strike: Player should now experience less delay between attacks.



- Warrior

o Threaten: Now reduces the enemies’ ATT and DEF by a percentage instead of a set duration. Decreases the enemies’ accuracy, while a success rate was added based on skill level.

o Flame Charge: Damage has increased per skill level.

o Fire Charge: Damage has increased per skill level.

o Thunder Charge: This ability can now overlap with other elemental attributes such as Fire, Ice, and Holy.

o Lightning Charge: This ability can now overlap with other elemental attributes such as Fire, Ice and Holy.

o Charged Blow: The range of this ability has been increased and the duration of the stun effect has increased based on skill level.

o Blast: Damage has increased per skill level.

o Holy Charge: Damage has increased per skill level.

o Divine Charge: Damage has increased per skill level.

o Hex of the Beholder: Beholder’s buffs will not overwrite buffs of equal level. Beholder’s buff will however overwrite lesser buffs.



- Bowman

o Arrow Bomb: Damage has increased per skill level.

o Iron Arrow: Damage has increased per skill level.

o Inferno: Damage has increased and a Damage Over Time component was added.

o Strafe: Chance to freeze has increased based on skill level. Frozen targets have a fixed percentage chance to be killed instantly.

o Piercing Arrow: Charge time for piercing arrow has decreased by 10 percent.

o Snipe: Cooldown time for this ability has decreased per skill level.



- Thief

o Endure: HP and MP recovery has increased per skill level.

o Steal: Damage has increased per skill level. Can attack multiple enemies and a chance to stun has been added.

o Band of Thieves: Damage has increased per skill level and the poison damage duration has increased.

o Assaulter: Damage has increased per skill level and range has increased.

o Meso Guard: The amount of Mesos consumed has decreased to 60 percent. The duration of the effect has increased per skill level to a maximum of 180 seconds.

o Venomous Stab: The chance to apply poison has increased and the duration of the poison damage has increased per skill level.

o Boomerang Stab: The delay between attacks has decreased.

 

Reading this became long and repetitive, so I skipped toward the end to toss around my two cents on the matter.

Currently, I am a level 192 bishop. I joined with a friend who has recently shown signs of inactivitiy. Him, being the reason I joined and stuck around, leaving has had a bit of an impact on how I've been handling the server.

1. I stopped training. I don't really give two shits on whether I reach 200 or not anymore.
2. I stopped caring about money/mesos. Bettering my equips means nothing for my job.
3. I made more friends.

I have since made multiple friends that have kept the experience fresh and engaging, which has been great.

"Where is your future?" one might ask. Well, I don't think it will be a whole lot longer with the current outlook. I would like to say that I will be active, but balancing things like school and socializing doesn't leave time for me to go sit in the free market and hope for a friend to log in.

So, you might think that a wipe would rejuvenate my spirit, keep me going. I could start fresh with a new job, new IGN, keep going and strive to be rank one. Nope. If the server were to be wiped I would most likely be out. Being 19x has been great and losing it all and not having any real motivation to level up a lot again would hinder my spirits rather than shove them forward.

So I am against a wipe. A second server always seems like a great idea, but in the end it doesn't do much, especially when it is so similar to the predecessor. I've learned this through playing many different maplestory developments with cocky administrators who think that they know better than all of their players.

Not that you guys are cocky administrators, but some really are. xD

edit: By the way I am not quitting. I am just saying if there is a server wipe then there would be a high chance of me being inactive in-game because I would have lack of motivation to do anything.

 

if we wanted to play v83 low-rate server, there are plenty out there. we would just go to those ones. i think i speak for the majority of people here when i say : were here because it's v62, not v 83.

 

Please find me 1 v83 server with rates equal to or lower than here that is of equal or greater quality. Also, don't assume your opinion is the opinion of everyone else. I don't want to play another server, I love this community and staff and the way the server works, I simply want more things to do so I have reasons to come back.

 

i'm not going to advertise other private servers as i am almost certain that is forbidden. just go look on gtop, it's not difficult.

p.s. there's 4 on the first page. seriously did you even look?

 

I absolutely agree with this. I'm here for v62.

I recall someone responding to me with "it's boring restarting your character over and over again." What is the difference in restarting on this server and restarting on a lower rate server or lowering the rate on the current server?

I would be cool with lowering the rate on the current server myself.

The only thing that is going to stop people relying on bishops so much is people stopping relying on bishops so much.

I've learned in my long gaming "life" that the easy route is almost always the boring route. That experience has taught me that cheating leads to boredom and/or burnout and taking advantage of a game mechanic that allows me to obtain experience or currency the "easy" way will do the same....so I refuse to take part.

Nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head forcing you to make 2b a day, even if you have found a way to do it. Same with relying on bishops. You don't HAVE to rely on bishops.

I would LOVE to see some people actually put together some full parties for grinding purposes rather than half-assing their leveling by hanging on a rope for several hours doing squat.

 

world wipe:
awesome!!!!!!! provided a whole heap of people don't quit.

new world with low rates:
lame, will split community in half, and who wants to have to grind MORE? lameeeeee

v83 or more custom content:
awesomeeeeeeee

lower exp rates in general:
laaaaaaaaaame, ain't nobody got time to grind more, what about real life huh?

 

Yes, I did, can you even read? Here I'll help you this time.

P.S. The parts in bold/italics/underlined are the parts you obviously didn't comprehend.

Alright, lets try some arithmetic now. Of the all the v83 servers on the first page, the exp rates are as follows;

1000x
16x
1400x
1500x
12x
500x
250x
2013x
30x
200x

Are any of those numbers bigger than 10x? Not to mention the quality level since they are ranked so low? Thanks, come again.

 

First off, gratz on GM! MY WIFE IS A GM

Second, can you tell me what specifically in v83 turns you off and makes you prefer v62? I really want to know what people are talking about when they say "Fuck v83, its trash, v62 4 lyfe."

 

I didn't say it was trash. I just don't like the new classes that were introduced in v73. That's when the game started going in a totally different direction and I started losing interest because it felt like they made the originals less somehow. I know you can only level to 120 on cygnus, but I still never understood the point of them other than to be a gimmicky segue into their black mage and subsequent storylines.

Now if you said we were going to go to v72, I'd be all for that, cause there were a ton of upgrades without totally changing the game imo. It adds a lot of endgame content, but doesn't add new classes. But as far as I know, there were never any v72 sources worked on, so it's impossible or near impossible to do.

Also thank you

 

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I can dig that, I never really understood the point of Cygnus Knights either when they were first introduced, except to give casual players an easier time.
That being said, is it really going to be gamebreaking to you if we patch to v83 JUST because of Cygnus Knights? Its like you said in your earlier post, nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to make one. The earliest stable source after v62 is v83, after that we would have to deal with potential and...guhh..dare I say it...Dual Blades >XO~~~ We would gain SO much in terms of content and balance. Let the kiddies play Cygnus if it gives us a heap of improvements.

 

People who are saying "Oh well, people are only finding the server boring because they play too much" or "Restart your character if you want a wipe" are lousy arguments.

If we do add another v62 server with lower rates, no one is forcing you to play it, so I don't know what you are complaining about. It gives people the preference to choose what they want.

If you are a causal player then simply play the 10x server and not the 4x. "how long people spend on this game" shouldn't determine whether we should not open a 4x server.

And obviously there is a problem since Matt posted this thread in the first place so keeping "the same" isn't really an option. It's time for change!

Fixing HT and BPQ will probably keep higher levels here for like an extra month.
After HT is dead, people will lose interest again. And HT is easily down-able since the rates in the server is too high. And HP washing is too high.

Stuff like increasing the level cap + adding a extra hard horntail will be un-nostalgic.

To be honest I see two options unless Royals wants to lose alot of the long-standing player base.

1) Open another 4x server with harder edits (v62) so it's harder to reach endgame.
2) Unbug a v83 and run it besides the v62 (will need alot of developer help)
3) Wipe the v62 and start it as a lower rate.

I'm for point one, since I think it's important to have a server which is open to both the casual and competitive community. And to avoid massive community splits, implement this during Christmas.. When we get more people.

 

This will be hard to do since now everyone will want the new server made personally their way but:

This sounds perfect.

because bishops refuse to train with others and only leech themselves. Not all of us can dual play a bishop and attacker at the same time so it's better to just leech our attacker. Lowering the server exp rate would make it hard for bishops to level without an effective attacker (which is why this problem wasn't as common in GMS) and implementing a leech penalty would fix it all together.

 

please tell me you are kidding.

oh, and look at all the servers with lower rates v62.. they are aallll the way down there.

there's two x12 exp, one x16. the x16 is ahead of us. seriously? 12x and 10x are almost the same thing, try to be a little bit more clever next time when trying to be a sarcastic smart ass towards people.

 

All the lowrate v83 are trash.
They are all used and spit out / buggy, ect.
And 12x is not the same as 10x...
especially when trying to reach for 4x.