Is +70 int gear sufficient enough for hp washing to 18-20k hp

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    Thanks for reply
     
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    Depends on the job u wanna play
     
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    I am trying to help you out but you haven't still given me your HP goal lvl.

    By what level, you want to have 18k to 20k HP?

    135? 140? 150? 155? 180? 200?

    And you need to be more specific, 18k to 20k is a big difference.
     
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    Okay like 18k for a night lord by 135
     
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    I don't recommend 18K HP at Lv135
    Because:
    1) Not only its overkill
    2) You will be wasting a lot of APR and giving up potential maximum HP gain.
    Because in order to reach that amount of HP by Lv135, you will be using a lot of APR at Lv135 doing -MP +HP
    By doing -MP +HP, in average you gain 18 HP per AP
    However, by using fresh AP from leveling up, you gain an average of 22 HP per AP.


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    Anyway, here is a step by step on how to reach 18K HP by Lv135 starting from Lv1 with 70 int gear.

    From Lv1, create a character and add all 9 fresh AP into INT, keep adding until you reach 20 base int.
    Then add DEX until you reach 25 DEX to 1st job advancement.

    Keep adding fresh AP into INT until you reach 250 base int (which should be around Lv53).

    After that, you start adding you fresh AP into HP until Lv100. (Lv 53-100 is total 235 AP used add into HP)
    At Lv100, starting to save your AP until Lv135 (Lv100-135 is total 175 AP).

    At Lv135, recalculate to see the exact amount of MP washing you need before starting to MP wash, the amount of MP washing need might change depending on your int gear, getting zak helm, horntail pendant, deputy star ETC.
    link for calculator: <https://royals.ms/forum/threads/hp-washing-calculator.111127/> (If you don't understand how to use it, feel free to PM me when you get Lv135)

    Assume you need all the 175 AP you saved from Lv100 to 135, then add all 175 AP into MP to start MP washing. Then use 175 APR to -MP +LUK/DEX
    You will also need 235 APR, because you used 235 AP from Lv 53-100 to HP, and do -MP + LUK/DEX
    And then another 246 APR, to reset your base int, and do -INT +LUK/DEX

    Since you want to reach your HP goal at Lv135, keep using APR to -MP +HP for your excess MP, and do this until you reach your desired HP goal.

    However, my recommendation is instead:
    Starting from lv135, prepare 5 apr for each lvl up, and add your fresh 5 lvl up AP into HP, and use the 5 APR to -MP +LUK
    Why?
    As I mentioned in the beginning:
    By using APR to do, -MP +HP, in average you gain 18 HP per AP
    However, by using fresh AP from leveling up, you gain an average of 22 HP per AP.


    Good luck!
     
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    So when i use an apr to -mp to +hp is that after ive finished mp washing at lv 135? So should i start saving apr for that as well?
     
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    Yes sir.
     
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    So I do -mp to +hp after I've finished mp washing at lv 135, sorry I just want to clarify and make sure I'm doing everything correctly. I'm assuming after lv 135, I can APR as much as I want to gain hp from -mp just as long as I have an sufficient amount of mp to do it?
     
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    Everything you just asked, its self explanatory from the little guide I provided to you.

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    Step1) Assume you need all the 175 AP you saved from Lv100 to 135, then add all 175 AP into MP to start MP washing. Then use 175 APR to -MP +LUK/DEX

    Step2) You will also need 235 APR, because you used 235 AP from Lv 53-100 to HP, and do -MP + LUK/DEX

    Step3)

    And then another 246 APR, to reset your base int, and do -INT +LUK/DEX

    After doing all of the above steps.

    Step4) Since you want to reach your HP goal at Lv135, keep using APR to -MP +HP for your excess MP, and do this until you reach your desired HP goal.
     
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    Okay i think i understand like 90% of it. Is there a minimum mp calculation to dtermine when ive exhaustes all my mp to use and can mo longer mp wash anymoew
     
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    I will provide you with an example from my NL on how to calculate minimum MP.

    upload_2020-10-19_11-52-35.png

    Min MP Formula for Thief = 14 x level + 148

    My current Min MP is = 14*170+148 = 2528
    Subtract = 2773 - 2528 = 245
    Each washing is 12MP.
    245 / 12 = 20.4 (I can wash 20 more times using APR if I wanna do -MP +HP)
     
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    Thank you, this will help alot
     
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    Hi @MrZYJ, just wondering since you said 18k hp is overkill, what hp do you suggest at level 135 for a NL?
    Also, when I had set my goal into Shiyui's calculator (15k at 135), it says I need significantly more APRs than what you listed in your instructions here, why is your method you wrote here so much cheaper?

    Really appreciate you answering everyone's questions btw :)
     
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    Hi, there is a small error on Shiyui calculator, the calculation for washing and everything is good, but the section of total AP to be used is wrong. If you can screenshot me your excel, I can point it out to you.

    I personally went with the goal of 18750 HP at Lv200.

    At Lv105 I have already 11k HP, which is more than enough for anything. I was able to buy HTP at Lv120 and do duo Shao since Lv145 without hyper body.

    I am now Lv171 and have 17700 HP.

    Oh, and the way I wash is the same way others wash. There is no better method per say. As long as you don't waste fresh AP onto anything else but HP, you are on the right path.
     
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    Here's my excel:

    upload_2020-10-21_13-34-53.png

    I set it at 14.5k hp for now but will probably lower it. I just want to make sure I'm not locked out of any high level content :)
     
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    For some reason your calculator is showing the correct data. On my computer it shows something different, once I get into my computer I will post.

    The post I made there is total 656 APR needs.
    Your screenshot shows 764.

    It is actually basically the same thing, because I am not including the 103+ APR for -MP +HP. As you are giving up 4 HP per AP using straight APR to do -MP +HP. Please use fresh AP only, no need to rush it.
     
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    True, but your calculation that you made was for washing to 18k by level 135, whereas mine is only 14.5k by level 135.
    So I am curious to see what the error is here, because it would mean that that washing an NL to my desired HP is a lot cheaper than I previously thought :D
     
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    You are very right.
    Dear Trapperzz:

    The above steps I provided before it's actually for around 18750 HP at Lv155.
    upload_2020-10-21_21-11-32.png
     
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    If you want to be able to wash to 18750 HP at Lv 135.

    You need 280 base int, and approximately MP washing from Lv100-135 175 APs.

    upload_2020-10-21_21-15-58.png


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