Hello, I have just went to a HT run and the host needed me to seduce with my BS. I have noticed on the first head that my HP/MP went down to 1/1.(cr sed 1st pre head). so on the 2nd prehead i had to enter first and seduce with my BS which is 12k/27.9kmp. when the first sed came i got 1/1 hit and kept jumping sed with 1/1 HP/MP till i got the final hit xD. So those are the facts from my first HT run after the update, now i'll share my opinion There are many players in the community that have realized they'll be able to seduce in HT if they'll keep washing their BS after their first HP wash which is always (5k-7.5kHP). on my first wash around lvl 174 i transferred my extra mana to HP and hit 7.5kHP. at that point i understood that if i'll keep mp washing my bs i'll be able to strech it to 10-12kHP/30k MP when i hit 200. i have made alot of HT run the in past months, i didn't miss a day without going HT twice and i used to take the sed on me many times. I couldn't process the fact that the whole effort i have put into washing my BS to reach those goals in HT won't help me anymore since the 1/1 Meta affects mages aswell. i actually died in a prehead which never happened to me before under those circumstances.I Won't expand anymore on HT stuff just on facts and finish this Feedback. In my opinion it ruins the game format if the new 1/1 Meta affect mages regardless the fact they are using MG which suppose to "Temporarily replaces damage with MP instead of HP. If MP reaches 0, the HP takes a full hit" that was my pure opinion and i'll say it again we can't ignore the effect of any skill in any class. Thank you very much.
Mages shouldn't be able to tank seduce, it makes dedicated "tank" classes like shad bucc pala useless
Mages, specifically bishops, have a support role in boss runs. Over the years, royals meta shifted in a way people searched for greater convenience and ended up hp washing bishops to tank hits without MG or for the purpose a of sed mule. Boss mechanics such as 1/1 maintain the challenging aspect of the game and prevent the balance destruction from the heavy washing meta. It is called 1/1 because it's supposed to drain both hp and mp. Since the new source patch, this function was glitched and everyone had ez life in bosses for 4 bloody years. Staff finally fixed it and the rightful difficulty returned to some of the end game bosses. It may sound rough for 2017 + generation but this is the "norm". Let the bishops return to their proper support roles, not a meat shield.
Honestly, bishop is already broken af. This change affects yeah, slightly more potion consumption. That aside on the seduce aspect. Able to seduce almost as well as a shadower is kinda ridiculous. Skills such as infinity is now actually pretty important if you actually want to seduce with it i guess I’d say this is a good change and shouldn’t be reverted. edit: dont use infinity LOL that skill is bugged rn
This is how the game's supposed to be. Like others have said it was a bug fix and bishops are indeed meant to play a supportive role. I personally find HT to be the most fun thing to do in Royals as a bishop because I actually have an active supportive role and surviving (even with my 6.5k hp) does require attention. In Zak you can indeed help speed up runs quite significantly by paying attention to seals / other debuffs or saving your holy shield for when he's using a stun as opposed to just using it once it's available but, having said that, Zak's "skill ceiling" and room for self improvement is kind of small. This change will make Zakum more engaging too in my opinion. And then there's Krexel which is just afk simulator... I really should get into Neo Tokyo lol I don't think your washing's a waste because you're able to survive in HT without MG unless you, like, give the tail a hug or something.
ngl i never liked this idea getting a bishop to sed, even if you 100% sure you wont die and you washed even a 30/30 bishop why would you risk the party, you're the party ress/exp and dont forget some bishops can hit a large amount of damage in order to actually shorten the run.
I don't mind the fix but can we stop doing the "oh actually this was always a bug/glitch and we're only returning the game to how it's meant to be played" thing? Over the years people have accepted 1/1 not affecting mp as the norm without recognising that it is in fact a bug, and metas including seduce bishops and heavily washed bishops have been developed as a result, partly because our community likes the convenience but partly because it was never made clear as such. This is exactly how snipe and weapon cancel happened a few months ago - a bug was apparently 'fixed', randomly and out of nowhere. The outrage that ensued was obviously met with a lot of "well this is how it's supposed to be" arguments because hey, isn't it easy to say that 4 years after new source became a thing? Reverting a nerf is not a buff that people get excited about, it's returning marksmen to their original position in the meta months ago. Also, the implications of this apparent bug fix that need to be considered include: - MP drain in HT doesn't trigger auto-mp, and there have been reports since the update that 1/1 when the bishop isn't using a skill doesn't always seem to trigger auto-pot to work. - using any non-active skill when you take damage does not trigger auto-pot, be it hp or mp. This means for classes that have to manual pot they often have to pot twice in these situations (Dark knights / corsairs who pot hp/mp separately, for instance). 1/1 itself is now working as I remember it from GMS - but this is not my memory of how it works in MapleRoyals. I started playing in 2018 and no one over the last 2.5 years of me playing this game has actually mentioned that this is, in fact, a glitch. For the longest time I thought this was an intended thing because lol there are even guides telling bishops how much they should be hp washing
This is not actually our official stance on all topics. As you can tell by the recent patch notes we reverted a bug fix, namely the one that caused Marksman's Snipe to hit through Weapon Cancel. Though, in the case of bosses' 1/1 attacks, it used to work, and then in early 2017 it stopped working, so it's hard to decide which of the two is "how it works in Royals". Now it works, though, and players are free to voice their opinions on it! Personally, I think this change makes sense, and makes for more interesting gameplay.
Being a paladin fucking sucks for that reason, because u have 5 buffs u gotta cast everytime, and you almost ALWAYS get hit by that 1/1 thing with auto pot not working, please fix. On topic - nice fix, i like!
fair enough but if we go by: " tHiS Is hOw tHe gAmE SuPpOsEd tO Be " then why mulitclient muleing/farming,HP washing... and other broken things that changes the game drastically are not removed or limited ? why have sed/hs mules... instead of active bishop that can also sed if put the work and not feel like HS mule? so many double standards
Okay litsten first of all thanks for your comments i can't recall how this game was played 10 years ago but i doubt if 1/1 was applied on mages in GMS. (I didn't had a BS way back then)... The thing here i am a noobie player and not veteran like you all(Got BS Only). i washed my character cause it was must to survive HT. i made second wave of wash based on Joon's words on his guide. "Usually classes like Shadowers / Paladins And special Seduce bishop can survive it."<< taken from Joon's Guide. I wanted to be that special BS. TBH... i never had a clue that it is a "bug". then if it was a bug that just fixed yesterday..why the community say Bishop can seduce Instead of do not wash your mage cause you won't be able to Seduce when this bug will be fixed. as a new player i got my knowledge for this server thorough reading guides on forum. i never found out it was a bug and never been told in-game. I think the staff should take this matter seriously for the future so new players will know important thing like that. My MP+HP washing was a total waste and if i'd knew it i would have stopped on 5.5k Hp saying thank you and good bye you can also check Joon's guide the sentence i copied from there available in Spoiler:Tail. https://royals.ms/forum/threads/bishops-guide-2020-horntail-guide.125406/ Thanks alot for sharing your mind <3
HP washing was a thing back then, but it was only for elite and rich players though. In Royals we have free NX so it became a norm. For multiclient, sometimes a boss/pq has to be cancelled because we can not recruit enough people to run. Multiclienting will help us solve this problem. I know multiclienting kills the diversity of classes, socializing and encourages maps hoarding, but I think there will be no change... It's too late to change, HP washing and Multiclienting became the meta here...
HP wash was "never" a thing in KMS,MSEA,GMS or close to what is now despite being "free" in royals(maybe in short period of time HP wash was thing for some but still did not afect the gameplay to such extreme even doing runs without HB) there was never issue with to low HP in any of the contnet and there was constant items HP/DEF improve as well as constant game balances those who did wash did it for fun and to show their $$$ , all other didn't wash because there was no need for it or they was afraid to do because it was considered as glitch abuse but also nexon never gave straight answer to community or just refused to do so for a long time as they was happy to take money on that untill it got fixed HP wash is obvious bug with ability points allocation, even shows wrong stats in the popup and dialog tabs inside APR, hence why there is so many that wonder how this bug works and why says X amount of -HP but does Y amount of -HP... multiclient was never thing and is still highly considered as ilegal in KMS,GMS,MSEA...even other private servers blocked it but we are fine with it here we should not go by there is not enough people for boss or PQ so we multiclient that content is made for team play and we should encourage for teamplay instead of mules multiclient is also abused by hackers but also by legit players who farm with extreme amount of clients and that was never ever a thing in maplestory all the stopers farming, 2-4+ clients ulu... cut the farming time for goods significantly and we just got nerfs that barely affected that what about TC (telecast) another bug/glitch going on as is fine and few other things that we see through am fine with this 1/1 change although in new royals "broken" meta it gave me challenge to be SED on my bishop and not just be seen as HS/RES mule i also expect some of the things i've mentioned above to be adressed aswell and not just seen as double standards but i guess best thing is to separate mapleroyals as own-unique game matt should clear the rules,game style,write the goals and continue like that we can't constantly go thro double standards of what is supposed what is not what is nostalgic what is not or what period is considered nostalgic and what not
I mean let's not make it sound like handling 1/1 or doing bosses was hard in the old source. People had no problems duo clienting their unwashed bishops in HT. What's concerning is that there's some sort of race condition that exists when your mp is being drained at the same time as your hp (through using skill or 1/1) which doesn't trigger your pet to autopot. It doesn't consistently repro and when it does you don't have too much time to react especially in bosses that attack frequently. I don't recall having to be ready to pot when rebuffing or getting 1/1'd in the old source, and this has been one of the largest causes of random deaths I've seen.
It actually affected Drks heavily in the old source. I recall autopot failures during skill buff or consumption of any buff pot (even pet food) since old source days. It's kinda hard for me to forget as I died countless times in Zak due to this mechanism. Can you elaborate more about this condition, with regards to specific bosses in which you witnessed random deaths?
I think this change is good because Horntail is meant to be the hardest boss to complete. And this is how this boss was designed in GMS. As a washed bishop, I don't find my progress wasted because there are many other bosses that required hp washing, such as auf haven and pink bean(if released). So your meso is not wasted on a bishop still.
