Suggestions: Making early level HP washing less constrictive

The suggestions I'm making is regarding enjoying early level gameplay, and has nothing to do with changing HP washing mechanics in any form.

HP washing is an essential part of Mapleroyals and I'm in no way asking for it to be removed or altered in any way that would make it unfair to those who have participated in it in the past.
The thing is, certain characters such as Assassins, Archers, and Corsairs simply HAVE to HP wash for later level gameplay whether they want to or not.

The issue I see behind this is that a lot of the earlier levels have the experience of these jobs being very limited or outright none existent.
When you're hardcore HP washing, say an Archer, you wont be able to equip your bow or xbow and go on to experience your first and second job skills, at least not in the sense where it would be considered actual early level gameplay, simply because you will want to invest in INT and INT armors as early as possible.

This sort of means that you are negating the 1st job and 2nd job experience entirely in order to simply be allowed to participate in later level gameplay.

My idea is: provide an NX clothing (presumably an NX weapon) that allows these classes to equip their actual weapons (claws, bows, xbows, or guns) as an NX item, while masquerading their INT gear weapon (i.e. they would still be wearing their wands, but will be actively using their level NX weapon).
It could be that NX level 10 weapons (Like Garniers) are sold in the cash shop, and these weapons would be balanced as suitable (such as not having any upgrade slots, fixed stats, etc..)

This would allow, say an Archer that wants to HP wash, to still have the option to experience early level gameplay while not having to worry about constantly equipping their INT wand moments before leveling, or giving up on the idea of ever leveling up on their own and solely resort on carries/leeches.

This will not inherently affect low level leech services much, if at all, since players who would be taking this route won't necessarily be dealing much damage anyway, but they would be able to say, participate in Kerning PQ and experience their 1st job skills without solely relying on others to do everything for them.


TLDR: provide level 10 NX weapons (such as Garniers) for classes that MUST HP wash, so that newer players can still experience the fun of early level gameplay of these classes.

Please feel free to leave any comments or further suggestions.

 

I made an archer without funding, that is currently at around 12k HP and lvl 195.

I never bought or sold a second of leech, neither did I HP wash much before lvl 150+. I mp washed from around lvl 184 onwards till my current highest level.

I did not miss any content, in contrast I did a lot of PQs and grinding with people, whenever I saw an opportunity.

mainly these:
- KPQ
- LMPQ
- OPQ
- LPQ
- PPQ

 

I've been wanting to make an Archer for a good while now, especially to experience what I missed out on back in pre-bb GMS, but I know very well I'm unable to do that and seemlessly enjoy the same gameplay as other classes without HP washing.

It's great that you did it eventually, but it's impossible to say that a non HP washed Archer at lower levels has all the available gameplay that an HP washed archer would be able to participate in.

In other words, if you do decide to not HP wash till later on (which I have friends that did that) you will be saying "sorry I can't go (any high damage gameplay) with you, I didn't HP wash" even though they would be the same level, or even lower level than you.

 

By "its impossible", you mean, you are too lazy to do so?
It was not hard at all for me. I had no help during early levels at all. No problem at all.

yes, exactly. I had to suffer from that quite a few times. That is how it should be!

 

Umm no need to be rude or aggressive...

All the power to you, I didn't make this suggestion on behalf of you but rather on behalf of other players who have difficulties with this issue and want to experience some early level gameplay =)

I'm sorry that you think this is how it should be.

 

There are many hp washing alternatives implemented on this server, that allow for early level gameplay to be experienced without leeching.

1000 HP from legendary collector medal
500 HP from water of youth quest
300 HP from Mark of Naricain
300 HP from Dojo Belt
Variable HP from pet equips
Variable HP from Magatia quest

Not to mention, hp gain on 3rd/4th job advance was buffed on Royals as well. I think we're at a point where HP washing really is optional on this server.

 

Well, I don't disagree with the idea of allowing archers to actually experience earlygame archer gameplay, but I don't think this suggestion targets the root of the problem.

You see, the most efficient gear progression for archers is generally agreed to be war bow>maple bow>maple soul searcher>maple kandiva all the way up to fourth job. This is true whether you have base INT or not, and none of those weapons have a STR requirement. The issue isn't that archers lack the STR to equip their weapon; the issue is that they can't deal much damage even if they try to attack due to having close to no DEX at early levels.

I disagree with everyone in this thread who seems to be saying that archers should simply not HP wash, because those arguments have consistently failed to convince the majority of archers that skipping out on HP washing is a wise thing to do. If you didn't wash your archer, then all the power to you, but you are a minority, and it's not hard to see why: no one wants to lock themselves out of content before they've even experienced it.

I'm sorry I couldn't offer a better alternative, but I appreciate the effort, because this is a serious problem and I wish people would stop trying to downplay it.

 

Just remove the need of having int or excess mana.
Use 1 ap reset (or any other item you guys create like some nx pot lol or whatever, it doesn't rly matter, as long as is the same price as ap resets so u don't fuck up the vote economy) and that increases the amount of average hp of the class you playing. Same way ap resets work for the classic washing but instead of having crazy amount of base int, you can actually play the game lol and there's no need to remake characters cuz you can just use this new item when u wish to.

Is it really nostalgic to have tons of base int and leech till high levels? Not at all.
Downside: leeches will no longer be so much needed, at least low level leeching. Is this a downside?

 

From what I understood, the idea of HP washing has based the founding gameplay of Mapleroyals and any huge tinkering with it would really be basically a "big bang" to the entire game.
The ideas I'm proposing (and I would love any other ideas to be given as well), is to maintain the general rule of HP washing, while not making it something that restricts the joy of early levels.

I understand that there is a good portion of people who don't mind skipping the earlier levels through leeches, that is absolutely fine.
But I'm trying to find a solution for players who recently started out, and simply either have to resort to HP washing and forgetting about the lower level experience, or the other route and forgetting about midgame or endgame gameplay.

I for one didn't try many classes back in pre-bb GMS and I would love nothing more than having some experience with them, but certain classes work like investments where you really have to restrict your lower level gameplay if you ever want to use them later on.

Baconfry actually made a good point in their post above; that the damage would still be low if my idea was made, especially for people who invest actual INT into their characters. I want my suggestion to be a base idea, and people can build up on it or change things in it, I really don't mind.

It's just speaking from a personal viewpoint that I'm put off from even attempting to make an archer/corsair/assasin simply because I KNOW I'm tasked between choosing to HP wash them and miss out on early gameplay, or not HP wash them and either wait till level 150+ or forget about mid-game or late-game stuff.

 

Some people like to boss and don't want to wait until they're grossly overleveled to participate in content. You traded early game viability for late game viability, which is your choice, but not the one most people want to make.

Besides this being rude, its completely inaccurate. Players who HP wash their characters put in just as much, and likely more, work than grinding up a character naturally. It looks really bad to be snarky about something you don't even have knowledge about.

Gatekeeping. Why would you want people to suffer in order to play a game?

Even if you do every single one of those, you still have to wash (at least natural excess MP) and/or do HP quest for months every single day as a ranged class.

To address OP, I think it would be better to eliminate the middleman and instead just keep adding new ways to gain HP that are better than HP quest. I think the 1k HP on Legendary Collector is a good start.