v83

what i don't understand is why upgrade to v83 and take out Arans, SoK, Hammers, Blessing of Fairy. all of which is "more content".

 

i take my yes back i dont want some shitty low rate server like that 4x exp is ridiciolous x10-25 is good

 

The problem here is that the new players simply have yet to face these problems so all seems to be fine in their eyes, especially when they have an opportunity to get all these goodies so easily. Or others have the advantage from the problems by simply being here for a longer time and feel good about it, being at the top of the game after all, and thus don't want to lose the position they are in, which newer players pretty much cannot reach without exploits or spending several times more time.

And while the top players are getting bored, that is not the exact problem. The problem is that the limit of what was able to be done in this server was reached too fast for its rates. And the new players cannot.

The only reason why v62 has an edge over v83 when it comes to nostalgia is that v83 is the version that has been used the most in the past. So it has become the "current" version for pre-bb players, thus when going back to v62 it feels a bit more nostalgic. But nostalgia isn't something that lasts when you replay the scenarios, especially when it comes from such trivial matters when proportioned to v82.
Nostalgia is a good lure sure, but having a more complete packet is what makes the players stay. Why do we have that many players then? From what I see there aren't any other low-rate servers good enough to play. Tried to find some before I started this server, and in the middle of playing here. But none. So I sticked around.

Quite honestly, I'd be fine with both versions (though I still prefer v82) but the wipe and fixing the problems are the necessities.
But just remember to advertise it well in time in gtop, so people see the banner and prepare for a new race. We could attract so many players at the current ranking spot we are in, since all the other similar servers are beaten to a pulp.
Of course we will lose players, but my bet is that the wipe attracts more new players than what we lose. Mostly because it has been ages from the last time a server with good amount of player started a new -cough- the original dms. Just remember to advertise.


And to Kris, some of the big problems I listed in the previous thread. P.S. Could you tone down your post count. It is a thread for us to hear the community, not you and you only.

Spoiler

- Too many items due to easy exploits that shouldn't exist, though no one can know for sure what is legit and what is not.
- Lot of game changing updates which has mixed up things.
- Game changing bugs/problems that were fixed later on, causing imbalance between players gear/wealth-wise.
- Many other imbalancing factors, biggest of all Gacha/Nx/AP reset drops. Those also make HP washing and getting good items from gacha way too easy, -cough- 17k hp BM a month after beginning the server, potentially 20k, and without blood washing. Way beyond easy, if you know the effort massive HP washing usually takes.
- Few too many flawed events (potentially nice), which, with the prices they had, might have worked if the server had thousands of players. But since we didn't have that many players, cake bosses were easily controlled by a couple of players leaving them, if correctly used, with an immense wealth, way beyond what most of you can guess. And since we didn't have that many players, no OP angry masks came out into circulation from the other event. Leaving the few guys who were able to do the event with best possible masks, which potentially more ambitious and dedicated players could never come even close to. Reasonable since they worked hard for it? Not, since no doubt way more people that are currently playing could have obtained it as well, but yet are here without any chance of obtaining it. Not to even mention the difference chaosing those made.
- Equip drop-rate is way too high. Making 1b pure mesos, no gacha/nx or AP resets counted in, in a day by merely grinding at the best exp grinding spot is 5-10 times as high as what I think is reasonable. There are even better spots for money farming.

 

The Tl: dr version: DO NOT WANT!

The detailed version:

Obviously I'm not keen on the idea of a wipe at all, because I've worked steadily and slowly towards getting my characters the equips and scrolls they need, and still have a long way to go. I feel like playing right now is pointless if it's all going to be wiped. It's not like we're achieving anything in terms of helping you test bugs, so everything we do over the next couple of weeks is just gonna go down the toilet.

If the vote goes towards v. 62 with lower experience rates, please, please, please fix warrior second job advance before you bring the server back up? I'd like the option of playing a DK without being 100-150 mp short. Also, any progress on figuring out how to fix the Beholder dc bug? Also, if you're going to do a wipe, PLEASE fix things so that thieves can't skip the third job boss fight? Either the third job boss fight should be optional for all classes or it should be compulsory for all classes.

These are my reasons for not wanting v.83 - yes, they are my own personal reasons, but I think that applies to everyone regardless of what they want for the future of the server.

1) First and foremost, I have very little interest in playing on a version where my favourite job class (Cleric/Priest/Bishop) is nerfed. Does the damage penalty on elemental wands/staves actually help the other mage classes? No, it doesn't. They're still not going to be highly sought after on boss runs and they still don't have hs. All this change really does is satisfy the haters, which, in my opinion, is a very poor reason for it being implemented. It doesn't improve anything for anybody, it doesn't balance anything. If the damage penalty for wrong element was removed from ele weapons, OR if the VIP weapons were added to gacha, then yeah, I might consider v.83 an option. (Bolded because this is *the* make-or-break issue for me, which would most likely decide if I look for a new server to play. Do I want to still be 2-hitting Skeles (as in EMS) at lvl 200, or wasting large amounts of time and money to get the required free luk to equip a (*rolls eyes*) Doomsday Staff? Nope.)

2) The family system.
This, as previously stated, is just my personal opinion, but I find the family system totally annoying and it's something I really, really don't want. One of the nice things about old skool Maple for me is being able to chill out and take things at your own pace, and having the pressure to level up because I'm somebody's jr and they want rep from me is a big no no. Finding and committing to 3-hour "trade party" ("buff circle"?) grinds to get bonus experience is also something I don't particularly relish. Also, with the high turnover of players on a private server, there are going to be dead links and breaks in the family, which is also a pain in the bum.

3) The Experience Curve.
Assuming EMS had a similar experience curve to GMS (it's possible this isn't the case), then the v83 experience curve made things way too fast, even on single experience, at lower levels but still a long hard slog at higher levels.

4) Changes in Maple Island.
I hate the way that Maple Island became linear and focussed in its quests and content in later pre-bb versions, and iirc, this applies to v.83. (Correct me if I'm wrong) One of the nostalgic things about old Maple for me was people being able to make Islanders, and if memory serves correctly, Maple Island was no longer fun to explore in v.83.

5) Episode 1
OP nib gear is very much a no-no for me.

6) Wheel of Fortune.
Makes Bishop's Res skill virtually pointless, imo.

7) Nostalgia? What nostalgia??
While I'm sure v.83 is nostalgic for some, it certainly isn't for me. It has content I've never encountered before, since my experience of later pre-bb content was on EMS and not GMS. Malaysia? NeoCity? Not only are those things not nostalgic for me, they're completely new to me. Yes, this is just a personal perspective, but that's true of everybody's viewpoint, as I said earlier. I'm not giving reasons why v.83 is "bad" (in the negative sense, not the teenslang sense), I'm giving reasons why I, personally, do not want it.

Neutral stuff: I don't care one way or the other about Pink Bean, Timeless/Reverse equips, Cygnus Knights, Arans, BoF and Vicious' Hammers. Scissors of Karma are a no-no, but they're easy to disable, so that's a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.

I can understand people wanting extra content for higher levels and extra stuff to do (eg Dojo, PPQ etc). However, I'm not the type to race to high levels and do everything available on the server in a short amount of time. That's not how I play, so no, I don't get bored easily. Having said that, I do understand that the way I play and the way many others play is different, and that new content would be a real plus for many.

One thing I do strongly object to with an upgrade to v.83 is that there are currently a LOT of v.83 servers out there which bored players could go along to with their friends and help turn into good places to be. However, there are relatively few v.62 (or earlier) servers, so it feels very wrong getting rid of a good v.62 server and leaving people who joined for the nostalgia high and dry. But... (see next paragraph)

Obviously I'm aware that a LOT of people joined this server because their friends were playing, and I'm actually one of those people. I'm also aware that the Maple Royals staff are amongst those friends, and once again, this is the case for me. I joined because Matt invited me, and I know that a large factor in Toby (Tobi) joining was having a lot of friends here. I'm fairly sure this was the case for Ty (Maggles) too, and I know that he wanted v.83 from the start, before a version was actually decided on.

I'd like to think I'm not unreasonable in that I *do* understand or at least try to understand other people's points of view. However, this doesn't change my own point of view, any more than my opinion is going to change theirs.

To summarise: the idea of a wipe is totally demotivational for me, and the thought of this turning into a v.83 server is offputting. I like v.62, thanks. However, I'd be prepared to start over on a v.83 Maple Royals IF and ONLY IF the damage penalty is removed from ele wands/staves. I think this is a very small thing to ask in return for being prepared to adapt and go with the flow. Others might think it makes me a selfish, self-important tosser, especially since only a tiny minority of people would care if I stayed or left, but whatever. *Shrugs*

 

I would absolutely love a wipe and upgrade to v83 with 4x rates. This is a best case scenario for me, personally.

 

There's a reason we chose v62 for nostalgia and no v83. we were all in the same position at one point scrolling through private server ranking trying to select the one for us. The reason v62 is nostalgic is because it was part of our childhoods. for a lot of us, v83 was not. nostalgia definitely depends on the person.

also that bug with the drops, i doesnt seem all that game breaking, worst case scenario, i just simply forfeit the quest. i mean if we have this many bugs in v62, whats v83 going to be like. Quite frankly the quest/drop bug seems extremely minor, and i don't thin anyone has quit the server because of it. All servers have their issues, i remember when the light bulb of the head glitch was the same way. i hope you aren't basing your decision to completely revamp a beautiful server because of a few bugs. no one is rage quitting that easily, and again, you are gaining more players than you are losing each and every day.

 

To be perfectly honest, v83 isn't nostalgic for me.
I played EMS with Matt around that period, but there were alot of things different in GMS to EMS. One thing is Malaysia.

Honestly, If two servers is achievable, I think it is the way to go.
People are saying that the main disadvantage is that it would split the community, and one would die. Personally I don't think this is true. a 4x would attract LOADS of people from other servers (v62 or v83), especially if it is done at the right time, as there is a gap in the market. Also by looking at this poll, it is easily seen that alot of people still want to play the 10x server, so I think it is possible, we would be able to get 50+ people in both server.

Personally i'm more open to the idea of the second server being a v62 (if possible), because v62 is more nostalgic to me, and having one server v62 and one v83 would be hard for the dev team. I also think that v62 has enough content if we are playing a 4x server, and if it still doesn't then the time it takes everyone to get 150+ on a 4x, we would hopefully get custom content by then.

Opening two servers would also make EVERYONE happy, since everyone can choose which server they want to play, and no one is forced to have their stuff wiped and the people that want a new beginning can have it.

Another thing is time, personally Matt above me said that it remove Java RMI. The thing is we have like months to implement the new world, there is no point now, alot of people still have interest in this server, there are alot of bugs (gpq, ht), loss of content (bpq) and October is not the correct season to implement a 4x server. So if it is possible to prepare or come up with a fix within two - three months, I think 2 servers is the ideal thing.

If not, then I believe a x4 v62/v83 would be the best option, but we definitely need a wipe sooner or later. (for atleast half the community)

(by the way i said yes, but i should of voted for other)

 

I would like Royals to stay v.62 and not wipe anything. Just fix the bugs.

HOWEVER.... as Matt stated, he is having a very hard time trying to fix the bugs. If things are left as they are right now, that means NO HORNTAIL. No Guild PQ. No Ludi PQ. And worst of all, Dark Knights, Crusaders, Ice mages are screwed. Their critical skills are bugged. Ice mages are getting it the worst, their damage is halved because element amplification doesn't work.

To those complaining that bishops are OP and train too fast, this is not true. Arch mages level even faster. Blizzard does way more damage than Genesis, mages can 1 hit KO skele at a much earlier level than bishops. Or, that's how it's supposed to be. But not here, because of the bugs.

Anyways, given the choice between living with the current buggy v.62, or moving to v.83 without the bugs, I guess I would go with v.83 and the wipe.

One suggestion: Please don't let monsters drop AP resets. That was never a part of the game. Warriors, thieves and pirates are not supposed to pump 200 INT and wash it all back. Nobody did that in the real Maple. It's ridiculous.

To the people complaining about bishop leeching: that was always a part of the game, ever since 4th job got released in 2007. If you don't like spamming and leeching, you don't like Maple. And so what if bishops level like crazy and sell spam? Their skills are super slow and their damage on bosses is laughable. Most high level bishops and mages I know back in the day all started another character because they got tired of being noob at bosses. Like, level 170 bishop being unable to kill Manon when a level 120 warrior will own it.

 

I joined 2 months ago- so I'm relatively new, albeit a hardcore grinder- and I put in massive amounts of effort to get where I am today. Didn't have that much access to whitescrolls initially (cos I was poor). I blew up around 4-5 billion scrolling stuff. I don't see what advantage from problems I received, since I worked for my stuff the good ol' fashioned way- didn't get an OP-ed mask, nothing.

I tested it out- I earn 30mil/20 mins- I have Genesis20, and I one hit KO skeles like you did. Do I earn 1 billion a day? No. (I grinded max 5 hrs per day- and now that I'm training Arya I don't skele at all) Not everyone can grind for 24 hours like you- so please do not extrapolate your experiences to everyone else. Kthx.

Ah, so the dreaded glitch. I understand if the issue can't be fixed But are there any other alternatives besides a wipe? I really don't want to have all my effort wasted.

Damn about the 2worlds bit. But imo, if you implement a wipe to v83 you will split the community up. </333333333333333333333333

WAI MATT O WAI

-10 second pause-

CAN WE HAVE ARANS PLEASE. hello danerys the aran down down shift tab something something something

PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW

 

I spoke with some people and they said you are new here, yet you are rank one? NO WONDER YOU ARE BORED! Jesus, if you're trying to do everything in a month then yes you will will get bored quick. we can wipe, change the content, upgrade versions, it really doesn't matter because you'll just play, play, play and play some more until you run out of things to do again and get bored and complain for more content. I've met a million people exactly the same as you. It's just never enough.

P.s. Me posting more than once on a thread does not prevent others in the community from posting. what are you even talking about?

 

I completely agree. When SOK came out, and with the CS item (forgot its name, it lets you equip items above your current level), you started seeing level 40 chars walking around in Zakum helms. It was stupid beyond belief. Just a cash grabbing move by Nexon.

 

What is motivating people to play/grind right now if that is the answer ):

 

....hope...?

 

I know i've lost all motivation to try and improve so I can eventually become part of the bossing community and whatnot,was looking forward to have a bishop and hero at the ready whenever needed.

 

to be honest i dont care if people have over powered items (i don't have any) its a little bonus for them for being in the bracket of first people to play the server i guess?

a wipe would be a kick in the face after spending hours and hours on the chars i have made.

and on the v83 topic, i understand that it would be less buggy blabla more bosses etc, but if i wanted to play a v83 server i would have looked for one :S, if people want it changed why did u download a v62 server if you want to play v83?

i guess its up to you guys at the end of the day though

what ever you decide to do i guess some people will be happy some unhappy, good luck making a decision.

but by the sounds of things your mind is already made up, even if the majority are against it i guess you will wipe/change anyway lol

 

I'm cool with either v62 and v83. But either way if you change it don't leave anything out. I understand the SoK part, but nothing else should be disabled.
Either way a low rate server, whether we stay with v62 (less content, more nostalgic) or go for v83 (more content, less nostalgic) everything will work out in the end.

In my opinion, as long as it's pre-BB it's all cool. But that's just my point of view.

 

OK so, after I voted here initially, I have talked to Matt again and many of the players, and I have decided to change my vote to "Other".

I would like to see us test and upgrade to v83 ONLY because the source is supposedly better/needs less fixing/more stuff works and because of the extra content it offers.

But, I propose NOT wiping. And don't tell me that's not possible. I know how databases work. They are rows and columns of data. If the rows and columns are different for the two versions, doesn't mean it couldn't be adapted to work. I know enough about server management to know that this is possible. If it's just a matter of manpower and you need help transferring data, I know enough about databases that I could help.

 

may as well stop playing now if you're gonna wipe either way...

complete waste of fucking time

 

I'd also like to add to my above comments that professional game companies don't wipe, even when older players end up having some kind of advantage due to just being older players OR when older players work really hard to achieve something and then gameplay is later made much easier so new players can obtain the same achievements for much less work.

No wipe + upgrade ONLY if the source is truly less buggy/more things work/etc. <--this is my official and final vote.