What do you DISLIKE about royals?

If the staff we're trustworthy then there would be no need to publicly display ban appeals.

Then exactly what upgrades were made to the server and when and for how much money?

I'm not.

Remember that thread a couple weeks back where you banned a guy incorrectly? (You acted so smug, just like you are now)

Same things about to happen. Buckle Up!

Not everyone can bosses at the same time, with the same group, everyday and therefore some have to join pug groups. Most pug groups do not re-form on consecutive days.

Meaning any notion of you getting loot "next run" is essentially meaningless.

 

not necessarily,he could be intepreting this wrong, he could have predispositions, this statement is also a falacy.....

 

You're equating transparency of one's actions with not being trustworthy?

Would you rather the staff conduct all it's business outside of the view of the community?
How in the world would that make them more trustworthy?

 

Haha i knew it, what dislike about royals is threads like this, what was the point anyways?theres a big difference between sharing what u like, or ur best memory(positive things) that conglomerate all the negativity of the server in a single thread, theres a lack of understanding about human nature when u randomly ask to share what undont like about something, if this thread was initiated by an admin, couldbe something different,but being made by a random user it was obvious that it was going to be bad.... @omglolz ...any input?

 

Do I trust Blizzard/Activision with their ban process - Yes
Do I have access to the Blizzard/Activision Ban Appeals - No

Very simple, not sure what you don't get about this concept.

The fact they are shown means that somewhere along the line, something has caused them to become public for one reason or another. Is it foreshadowing for this very conversation?

My guess, probably.

 

There's something deeply ironic about accusing other people of logical fallacies and then making conclusory assumptions like this.

That being said, just so this thread doesn't devolve into another bashing session between the Staff and the community I'll try to engage a bit more on a personal level with some of the discussion. For a long time, I actually extensively advocated for the Ban Appeal section to become private. I was one of the few players who strongly pushed for the Report Abuse section to become private as well many years ago. My reasoning was that both sections only served as a platform for players to publicly cast judgment, scorn, and shame on others. And at the time, I was told that Ban Appeals were public to provide the community greater insight into how the appellate procedure worked in this server--which I was not convinced by. However, I will say that the idea of transparency is absolutely critical to a productive relationship between any server administration and the community. If the Ban Appeal section were to become private, it would essentially remove any sort of opportunity for the community to hold the Staff accountable in how they interpret and apply the rules of Terms & Conditions. As a matter of fact, it would render the entire thing pointless.

This is just so, so, wrong. You should never trust any system of authority that relinquishes any form of accountability under the assumption that they are already trustworthy. And using Activision as an analogy isn't really applicable considering that they are a multi-billion dollar company with a playerbase of millions of people. But for the record, I do not trust Activision with their ban appeal process--not that I was ever banned on any of their games (I am a good egg mind you).

This is how appellate procedure works. The ban appeal process is not provided as a check for Staff to confirm their evidence, it is provided as an opportunity for players to advocate for themselves using contrary evidence to potentially overturn a ban. Are you suggesting we simply remove the Ban Appeal section in its entirety then? I'm sure no one on Staff would have any objections, think about how infinitely easier that would make our jobs lol!

Honestly I can empathize with this. When you are a player reading the Ban Appeals, you really do get a skewed perspective to each case when Staff provide extremely limited evidence (for obvious security reasons) while those on trial are able to craft their narrative exactly how they want. I've honestly thought many times as a player reading RWT-related ban appeals, "Wow it feels like that person has made a really strong case for themselves." But I haven't thought that once since having access to the information I have now as Staff. All I will say is that there is a reason why on the flip side, so many involved veteran members of the community wish for Staff to more aggressively target our RWT-related efforts. We hold ourselves to a strict evidentiary standard.

 

It seems that u have a very strong mindset about ur toughts, would u be open to consider some of then are wrong or (as i think) ure not entirely wrong, but theres also several points that ure not considering, that makes ur overall opinion a bit biased imo

 

Does Boost trust Mapleroyals with their ban process - No
Does Boost have access to the MapleRoyals Ban Appeals - Yes

 

I just don't understand why this thread has taken 3 months to respond to?

Don't the admins have a mountain of evidence piled up, and because of that evidence they banned him in the first place?

Why even entertain the thought of a ban appeal, if they were sure of the crimes in the first place.

 

After witnessing all this spicy content, it baffles me how entitled people are on this server. It's beginning to get a bit much for me personally. Yes, some of the ban appeals can be a bit of a clown fiesta with a popcorn booth, but I think they offer some insight for people on how to CORRECTLY deal with the staff, who for better or worse (this is merely subjective) do their best. These absolute reaches should also be something for the staff to consider because obviously there is an underlying animosity amongst the player base about certain topics (even though some topics are a beaten horse at this point, i.e. washing, etc), and the staff is very transparent in my opinion (though sometimes it does not seem like it I must admit).

 

The fact that people don’t appreciate what we have now

 

You might be able to figure it out yourself if you could read between the lines a bit, but I can spell it out for you:

Three months into the game, I was probably still grinding my unwashed attacker in late third job, going around the maple world to complete some quests and relive nostalgia, and maybe selling some APRs here and there to save up for a zhelm or HTP. The game felt very peaceful, and I probably didn't even know or care about the GM duties besides that they hold events sometimes. It would indeed have taken something extraordinary for me to have found the admins to be "disgusting", which feels more like some personal grudge that has accrued over time than anything.

That said, the OP claims to have been playing for five years, so this discussion is irrelevant. I do find it amusing that you're finding faults in my remark as if the initial premise of "The way admins treat the players is disgusting" was perfectly sound to begin with. Seems backwards, but maybe that's just me f3

Spoiler: off-topic

That said, things do get a lot messier/uglier when you get into the end game, when you start reading ban appeals and seeing igns you recognize, when you start wondering where these "new players" are getting the mesos to wash and leech their attackers straight into end game within weeks, to have the capital to "chaos and get lucky" and afford expensive attack gears (took me forever to save up my first bil as a new player, I have to say...though it's a different story if already know what to do coming into the game as a "new player").

Even then, such an opinion should be on the state of the server or the integrity of other players, rather than admins being "disgusting."

 

i just wanna say, in all my toad runs be it trio or duo, the person who gets headband is always the one who drops the samurai piece to spawn it, much like dropping eof for zak nx. the nx is split by the rest

 

LOL the irony.
Players being whinny and complains about the system / management (no solutions provided) while Staffs like Gert has to put in the effort to explain simple game mechanics in a forum to their beloved players.

Btw, @Boost, a lot of your arguments are illogical. Do read them back without prejudice. Gert wrote several paragraphs explaining the nonsensical accusation you made while you just quoted a whole bunch of them and replied like some 5 year old kid.

I don't even bother wanting to correct your stupidity because it's just a waste of time. You won't get it anyways.

Please kindly grow up.

 

I dislike how someone who has been here 4 yrs and worked rly hard on their characters,and keeps to themselves ends up permabanned when a toxic person starts the trouble. They don't even look into the person who started the problem.Just the reaction of someone to the problem. Ridiculous reason was I insulted and or threatened the person. Like you can actually threaten someone on a game. 4 years down the drain due to someone being mean.

Also, I think there should be a year's drop off rate such as if you had 3 day bans before and it has been 2 YEARS since the last one. they should drop off your name. It's not like the person hacked, or vote abused or used smegas in a bad way....

 

Wow, I am even more baffled by you thinking any of what you said is a valid argument. You use your own personal experience to somehow think it invalidates his? Even if he was playing for only 3 months instead of 5 years, maybe his experience was wildly different than yours for him to hold the opinion that "the way admins treat the players is disgusting". I like how you backpedal and say the discussion is irrelevant, but then proceed to say his opinion is unsound. LOL

 

I honestly never thought there much of an “argument” to begin with aside from people stating personal opinions, so I’d happily concede. My apologies for having baffled you so badly

 

To be fair in og maple pretty much no one washed (including spenders) even if where talking the top 1%. and speaking of NL they just had to avoid the tail and could do ht with as little as 7kish HP so hp washing for 20 or 30k hp being essential is false there. even with pink bean raids majority didnt have 15K plus hp let alone NL.

Hp washing is just QOL makes it easier. it's just the fact o but everyone else has 20 or 30K hp so i need it aswell. peer pressure. my character is inferior because it has less hp and survivability while in reality it ain't needed

It's easier but not needed.

withouth hp washing every class could do any boss. no hb needed. if you don't wanna hp wash don't do it. I've seen plenty of low hp classes in high tier bosses back in the day especially NL.

you could farm mini bosses for nx aside from voting to speed up the proces or farm certain items for meso. I won't deny that hp washing isn't fun your correct there. but it's moreso that almost everyone on the server does so that it seems forced.

 

No worries man. I got a bit unhinged there so I want to apologize. I think we just have differing opinions/perspectives. For you, the emphasis is more on the integrity of the players and for me it is more the attitude and (lack of) professionalism of the staff.