I wanna make a nightlord and was wondering, if i do 0 hp washing, but i make a hb mule, will it have the same effect? will i be able to do all the bosses?
Hyper Body provides +60% HP You can see the base hp for your class here in this spreadsheet at each level You wouldn't be able to survive everything, and even the things you could survive you would be worrying about dispells.
ty! so according to that, at lvl 160 nightlord i would have 8800 hp with hb, is it enough for the good bosses? I just can't understand why you need 10b to wash a player and leech and all this nonsense i can't stand it
The issue with relying on a HB mule in HT for example is that you need to dedicate one slot in your party for it. The easiest workaround is just running with an active Drk but that might not always be the available option. The absolute minimum HP threshold for HT without HB should be around 7.6k~, but it is extremely risky and requires you to maneuver in the map in a very specific way at least until the legs and tail go down. Players like a sense of security when you boss, to put it very simply the more HP you have the safer bossing is. Also keep in mind unlike scrolling endgame gear, people choose to invest in washing as the amount of APRs used is fixed, versus chaosing gear which might yield highly erratic and inconsistent outcomes. Another thing to very carefully note is that without the damage it is still relatively hard to join endgame bosses in the pub context. Having damage and fulfilling the hp requirements for a boss come in hand-in-hand.
Thanks, Do you have a general idea of the cheapest method to wash? I know there are 3 different methods: 1.10 int when lvling up adds 1 mp 2.mp washing turns mp into more mp 3. lvl up ap hp wash But how does one go about calculating how much to use of each method for cost efficiency? Also, how much hp should a nighrlord have? ideally i mean
There's actually quite a lot of resources already available if you're interested in learning the mechanics. I find this one easy to follow and it's in my personal bookmark: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/hp-washing-for-new-players.41129/ 1) Multiple of 10 Int is the foundation of all HP/MP washing. Higher base int translates to more MP gained during level up. 2) With higher base Int, you start hitting a point where you use level up AP to +MP and then utilize AP Resets to -MP and add to your Primary/Secondary stat. The higher you base Int, the more "leftover" MP pool you have. The higher MP pool you have, allows for more -MP and +HP later on, which is the HP washing portion 3) Not all classes benefit from using Level up AP to HP wash. You can refer to the HP washing guides to see which classes benefit from this - There's a HP washing calculator shared by Shiyui @ Akira. I've been using it and it's simple once you get the hang of which variables to tweak for the most cost efficient method to HP and MP wash - How much HP should a NL have is a very often asked question...it boils down to what you want to do with that char? HT = min 7.6k (bare minimum), other bosses like Toad, Auf etc of course needs higher HP. So what's your end game decision? If Pink Bean is ever released, your current HP plans might have to change...so most long term dedicated players go all the way for 30K HP as end game if you can afford it. Good luck!
If you want to HT - Target for at least 9.8k -10K HP Minimum. Otherwise, you will have a very very hard time.I say 7.6KHP (above comment) is inaccurate for HT. Because of these below scenarios get smacked by wings that are "atk up" --> death Get smacked by wings not atk up but get moved right under the rock right, while you are buffing --> Death Mass Seduce (which means everyone in the map cannot heal or control their movements and gets moved to the far right or left of the map, where there is a rock that deals ~2k damage for ~10seconds). You will barely survive at most 3 rock hits out of 6-7 rocks that fall if you only had 7.6HP. You got to be pretty lucky with that shadow shifter. Even with my 10K NL i Have died. If you have Hero's Will, it can only save you once every 5 minutes at max lvl. If you FALL off your safety platform (or get knocked off) when legs/tails are still not dead --> danger of dying to leg or tail magic damage too Toad you would want 16K, but most ppl can bring HB Mule for this scenario (and you can make one too , HB Mule ~lvl42 is sufficient) SHAO - Needs 12k. Great small boss you can do once daily for 10mins for alot of exp. highly recommend if you want some options. (HB mule needed is lvl 120 and do the long prequest for it to so not many people have HB Mules for this scenario) AUF - most people try to bring DKs, but you still want minimum of 16K after HB. And hope you dont get dispelled and seduced all at the same time.
Should I always have hb mule for optimal hp with low price? For example, if I want 16k for toad, it is enough to only have 16k with hb? Even with disspells, I feel like a hb mule is a great option. For example if I want 10k, 20, or 30k hp. I will only need about 60% of that amount pre-hb. Is it a good idea? Is it bad to use hb mule which takes up a spot in party etc? I just can't stress enough how much I hate hp washing, it's so stupid, god knows why royals still use that broken system.
I made an HB mule for Toad since that was an easier investment. However, bringing an HB mule to HT is entirely different and going to be up to your party, for parties that requires all 6 men (5 attackers + 1 bishop), will be unlikely to sacrifice a spot for your HB mule. I've never seen it done, and i can only think of scenario where if you do get into a HT party, more than likely, you would have to be in your own party in the beginning with your own mule and not have HS and loose out on beginning exp (i.e. legs + tails portion). Then you would be added back into your bossing party at heads without your HB mule or you stay in your separate party the entire run. You'll lose out on alot of exp because of no party EXP. I'm assuming you are joining public/smega runs that are 6men and not 4-5men runs. In regards to dispells, if you can handle running to your HB mule and spamming HB before you die, sure. Make a Warrior if you don't like the HP wash? Just be aware now, your sub optimal HP cannot go to HT by yourself, you'd have to try to get into a run with a DK. Or convince a party to let you bring your HB mule, which thats just up in air.
So you're saying it's not good to have a hb mule? Regardless, do you have any idea how much it cost to hp wash enough? I don't even know the bosses after zak and ht, are they good only for exp or also for items? because from what i understand you'll need 28k for the boss that hits the most, is that boss even worth it? which bosses are worth doing?
From my point of view its good to have hb when there is trio or quad bossing and require much higher hp, like toad、bga or neo tokyo bosses. But regular bosses like HT, you should fullfill the requirement of the lowest hp, otherwise its diificult to find parties. So the minimum hp wash i recommend is 10.2k, which can survive all bosses with hb except pb and can survive ht without hb. And, which is most important, you can hp wash to 10.2k without add any int. Just equip like 100 int gear when you level up untill 165, with the help of 500 hp quest、3 pet hp scroll equip and blue belt, you can have enough mp to wash to 10k when 165 and 10.2k when 175 and only cost like 150 aprs. You can enjoy the game like the normal unwashed nl in the whole process cause no int added, just keep attention when close to level up and change the gear. I just made one which is 165 right now and alr have 10.3k hp.
I love what you said at the end, first time I'm hearing about washing without putting int. But I'm not sure if 10.2 is enough I read people saying even 12k for ht How do you do the calculations?
12k is only for mass seduce which happens in the end which is rng reliant. How it works is that ht's arms force you to walk into a certain direction and eventually into the corners of the map where you will be repeated pelted by falling rocks which deal 2k~ damage. Why people reccomend 12k is because the maximum amount of times hit by rocks is 10k+ damage in total, or 5 ticks of 2k~ damage. However if the player sits down on a chair before the seduce happens he will not walk into the walls and avoid the falling rock damage, or possibly just shorten the effective time of seduce. Regarding the 10.5k~ up threshold, this is enough for the entire main body's magic attacks and as people have mentioned, a possibility of getting touch damage by the wings.
HB mule is good to have if you go toad, which is not hard to make since you just need to get the mule to max HB and pass the JQ. Its just different if you are talking about making a HB mule for HT specifically. It all depends on what is your goal (how much HP by what level). If your hp goal is lower and your target level to reach that HP goal is higher, then of course the cost will be lower too). If you are willing to int gear for more levels,again the cost is lower. Google or search in forums on the HP wash calculator. That is what people use on this server and it is reasonably accurate to tell you how many APRs you will need, in which the cost will change depending on the APR market (i.e. 13.5M or 18m per APR) Is your goal to get to do all the bosses (so far is only up to AUF) or is to Do all the bosses and get to lvl 200 faster* If just to do all the bosses, 10.2K ish is enough for you to do HT & AUF which are the big party bosses. As someone mentioned 10.2K is super minimum and still a bit scary to survive the mass sed (roping/sitting on a chair may help, but not full proof) I would recommend 12K+ so you can at least go Shao which gives you ALOT of exp so it helps you reach 200 faster. Because 12K is the bare minimum for SHAO, not for HT. I do not have experience washing a NL without base int, but you can always try to calculate using the online HP washing calculator and see how far you can get.
I used to use 11k sair for ht, i guess 10k is enough for nl to ht. what i heard is 9.8k is the minimum requirement. 6125 HP: Horntail with Hyper Body 9800 HP: Horntail without Hyper Body 10,188 HP: Castellan (Toad) with Hyper Body 11500 HP: Pink Bean with Hyper Body 12,100 HP: Bigfoot touch damage without Hyper Body 16,300 HP: Castellan (Toad) without Hyper Body 18,400 HP: Pink Bean without Hyper Body 18,750 HP: Anego slap damage without Hyper Body 23,000 HP: Horntail Head B touch damage and The Boss (Grandpa) without Hyper Body
10.5 is sufficient, but can't allow any mistakes. Some ppl just forget to make up full hp before 2nd seduce. Imo, since you really need some opinion, I'll say optimum hp wash will be 12k. That allow you to going shao without Hb, as u needa do 2times prequest for that hb mule, with minimum lvl requirement; able to HT efficient ly compare to 10.5k; toad with Hb, since toad rarely run with party of 6, and no lvl restriction for Hb mule, no preq needed; possibly even neo Tokyo bosses (with or without Hb). How much int I needed? I'm just estimating, pls double check yourself, 200int total(base+gear) is enough to reach 12k, easily. Do I need to MP wash? Don't have to when u have 200int. The MP u gain is enough for 12k washes (do double check) Int gear? Anything Estimate Apr needed? Says you will wash like +8k hp (estimate 4k from base+ eq, whatever), per Apr u gain like 22hp, 400apr and lesser will do the job. Total needed around 500apr(-int and +hp). Do some research on how to hp wash as thief hp wash mechanism is different from other job. Hope these info can insight u something. Ps: I personally don't support rely on Hb mule, as first u might need to do extra prequest for that, and required minimum lvl, second if you're with Hb mule u might out of hands to control extra mule that benefit others, eg: Crash, HS, etc. Third the pot usage or steel mithril plate for HT will be double which is a big rip.
these numbers are very inaccurate, toad for example will only do 15.6k at most (more like 15.3k for htp users), you can work around HT with less and as for grandpa - you have to get through BGA's 27k kick to get to him, assuming you speak of melee chars because grandpa's magic attacks are just 1/1s and you can survive without heavy washing. in addition if that helps at all, Auf will do 16.3k touch to MoN users (without the def bonus from HTP) at most.
