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  1. MoLoToV
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    All Your Character Names: MoLoToV, Tyranthorn, Samisawesome (can name more but these are the characters this ban appeal is about)
    Last thing you did: Papulatus
    Why do you think you got banned?: Defaming someone 3 times
    Ban message when attempting to log in: Your account has been suspended ... (harrasment)
    What GM banned you (optional): Not sure

    So I'm pretty sure I got banned because I defamed somebody 3 times. I was going to do the Ellin forest bosses, in this case Ephenia, and one of my character died since somebody attacked some of the faries which knocked it off the platform, I showed my displease of this by defaming him with all my 3 characters and changed channels to continue doing my business.

    Now I've seen that apparently the rules got changed that mass defames got changed to anything more than 2. So by that I understand that this ban, by the rules, is fair.

    However, is this honestly ban worthy? The fame and defame system is so I can warn other players about someone else's behavior. As by the wiki " Fame is used to quantify players' popularity within MapleStory" I simply showed that I was displeased by his action and left after that. (well we did have a brief conversation about him reporting me, and me not believing that 3 fames was considered mass defame).

    I've been playing this server for almost 6 years and have been a good boi, I'm honestly struggling to believe I got banned over something this trivial.
     
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    Hello, you are correct with your theory of why you got banned.

    I understand that you were displeased with what happened, but you could have stopped after 1, or even 2 defames in this case.
    Yes, the rules have changed, and we have to uphold them as they stand now. I have no doubt that you are a "good boi" and I hope to see you back online in a few days :)
     
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    Hi, in that case I'd like to file a report for the quest "The Remberer's Passion" upon completing the quest I was given 5 defames, I think this is unacceptable behavior, and should obviously be punished by removing the NPC "The Remberer" for 3 days from the game.

    In all seriousness, this is ridiculous, would it be possible to have another GM take a look at the case? ~imboss
     
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    Sure thing :) I have asked for another GM to take a look and have reopened this appeal
     
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    It's closed again? What happened?
     
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    Hi there! :) We've announced back in January that we have revisited some of our Terms and Conditions rules, and decreasing the amount of defames required to classify as Objectionable Behavior was one of them. We as a team have reviewed the report, and voted that it fell under the category of objectional behaviour and aligned with our new rules.

    As you seem to have acknowledged that in your previous responses to this appeal, I am unsure as to why you are requesting another GM to look into this case.

    "The Remember" is not a player, he does not think for himself, he only does what he is programmed to do. Please don't hurt him. :'(
     
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    Hi Becca, thanks for the reply! I requested an addition review of my case because honestly I'm still a little bit dumbfolded as to why I am banned. I was inconvenienced by another players and I retaliated by defaming him with my characters that were present. I didn't go out of my way to move characters to him, or to log in to additional characters to defame him. If this is bannable behavior than, in my opinion, the rules are too strict and should be reviewed again. Faming and defaming is part of the game and shouldn't be punished unless it is clear there that there is malicious intent. If I had been doing ephenia with my friends, instead of mules, the 3 defames from me and my 2 other friends would've been ok, but now that I have used my mules it's considered mass defame.
     
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    You were banned for defaming somebody 3 times. It doesn't matter if it required minimal effort because you were already logged in, or that you didn't go out of your way to maliciously log into two more clients to do it. You defamed him 3 times which is now against the rules. :( You could've retaliated by doing 1 defame, and following the new guideline we have set up for mass defaming.

    I understand your frustration in this situation, however it is written in the rules that anything above 2 or more defames will be considered as objectional behaviour. I don't understand why you are trying to justify defaming him 3 times when you knew about the 2 or more defames rule.

    I am sorry to say this, but your ban will remain and I invite you to please make a feedback thread if you feel that this 2 or more defame rule should be revisited.
     
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    Hi Becca, I find it hard to understand that the staff team came to the conclusion that anything above 2 defames is considered mass defame. It's an imaginary number that doesn't affect gameplay, even the quest system shows that actions can influence this number greatly, I had my justified reasons to defame the player.

    In my opinion it seems like the staff team has lost touch with the real world, you consider non meaningful actions such as defaming and faming on the same level as actual harassment, you shouldn't be micro managing your community on such a level that everyone has to fall into exactly the same line.
     
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    You can consider this ban appeal as feedback on the rules btw :)
     
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    You may submit feedback at the proper channel - https://royals.ms/forum/forums/feedback.3/ if you believe 2 defames isn't the 'magic number' to be considered as mass defame

    We regret to inform you that we are unable to accept Feedback on Ban Appeals as it would be unfair to other players without hearing their opinions on the topic

    Although we are unable to accede to your request, we seek your kind understanding on this matter

    Note: Have locked this thread as Ban Appeal isn't the right channel to submit Feedbacks
     
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