Royals is like a truck driving at its maximum speed without a brake. It's actually speeding up every moment. Some of us aren't supporting the change in the system because we wish to punish the lazy portion of the player base but to delay the server from reaching its end as much as possible. We have (much) higher rates and channels compared to our neighbor server. This naturally drove and provided enough room for any competitive player to speed through their journey and reach the end game within a short period. Can anyone estimate how many LVL 200s we have on the server now? It's natural to have an exponential increase in their number due to power creep but its rates worry many of us. Heavy HP washing, as well as mage washing, became more prevalent and available due to the worsening state of vote abuse and RWT. Our neighbor also faces their own issues but not of this kind because they have inbuilt brakes. Some say having the freedom to choose your own pace is an advantageous factor for a pre-server (and I agree!) but a limitless environment, along with lack of proper security, led this server to age at a remarkable rate. The current system would be working perfectly in the absence of cheaters but we have reached a point where the sacrifice of legit players' convenience is inevitable to reduce their activity. We could also be doing fine if everyone played at a chilled pace but we will always have extremists who explore the limits of the system because competition is one of the strongest psychological motivations in MMORPG. Once they set an example, the standard naturally gets elevated near that level. When the journey to the end game becomes too short, the game loses its identity. In simple words, the direction Royals took had its own pros vs our neighbor but due to all the convenience factors and freedom, its final destination sits a lot closer. It's extremely difficult to add brakes now because everyone despises the feeling of losing what once belonged to them, even if it was for a short time. If we can't introduce brakes, the reformation of one of the most ban-inducing systems that also contributes immensely to the power creep seems considerable for the sake of the server.
It certainly is a thing on other servers as well, but twisting it to ensure you dont abuse multi-clienting. For instance in Krex you could get a BM to alt + tab hurricane at the left edge of the platform and probably get another attacker to hit krex while your BM is passively attacking, but imagine if Krex could attack at a map wide range? That kind of forces you to attack on 1 character instead of 2 (If you understand what i mean). However the issue right now is definitely the Vote2Win content to which I strongly agree to remove.
I dislike the concept that if i have a funded char, it would take me approx 4 years to get another one to 30k hp. I like fhe idea that if i dont mind spending mesos, i can save that time. Apr fill that gap, while the daily hp quest just takes too long for my opinion. Its good that its possible, i just like the idea that throwing mesos at it can be an alternative
What if there is more alternatives other the HP quest, and simply getting to 30k requires simply daily party play such as profitable PQs, (theres only a profitable PQ which is APQ now btw) You now can choose to sell & buy the HP gain potions. Heck if you are enjoying these party play content, you can start investing those mesos into gears immediately! Meanwhile our server can also progress towards more exciting bosses such as cHT & cZak. With interesting gears to further boost your HP since they give 10% HP stats. Players who hate party play can of course continue to sell leech and grind, instead of buying 20bil worth of APR, they can now spend 10bil on HP gain potion, and conserve and not to spend their NX on stuff such as TP rocks & megaphones, to spend that 10bil equivalent NX from voting into washing. — Making a bishop first before every other class will no longer be as meta as it is, and there’s competitive options to meso making instead of selling leech. What do you think? Reward players for higher level character.More higher level characters = more PQ they can participate. Voting is still in or even higher demand. Hackers can no longer benefit tremendously via voting anymore More alternatives for players to choose to make mesos. Btw right now the larger profitable party play is only APQ, not bossing.
Not Vote2win is beneficial for the longevity of the server, lets not think about ourselves but the bigger picture. Here are some of the benefits: 1. Provides progressive and active gameplay (extend the lifetime of the server) 2. Remove vote abusers including white list abusers that is quoted as legit voters (not to mention white list is terrible for users privacy on a private server) 3. Reduce the amount of RWT because now APRs are untradeable 4. Reduce the amount of hackers (please have a fully functional auto ban soon) 5. Less peer pressure to wash a large amount and there will be more involvement for drk 6. Items and mesos become more valuable 7. Everyone have equal opportunity and same effort to acquire APRs 8. Less work for GMs so they can focus on improving other areas whether it is reports, game changes and so on 9. Maintain Rank 1 This is a critical change and a difficult choice but I believe moving forward, this will benefit the server. Perhaps this can be implemented in stages for a smooth transition.
Lets ask ourselves. By not even playing the game, simply voting gets you 8k NX / 40mil daily sounds logical to you? Honestly, if u can get $40 daily just by voting IRL and not working, i’d love that too, but does it sound right..? — Remember, the problems in royals New players that made NL/BM/Sairs are usually forced to make Bishop and remake their characters because its unwashed. Lets be real here, if your buddy joins royals today, will u tell him to make a NL or a bishop? If you tell him to make a NL, you’re trolling Players only have 4 options of making mesos. #1 APQ, #2 Leech, #3 Boss, #4 Farm. Why recommend new players to remake, and not open up a new opportunity to make mesos, and opportunity for our staff to push our more exciting content. How much pain and difficulty does the staff team need to consider before releasing a new boss to still be challenging for washed players, yet not impossible for unwashed players. Look at your dead ellin for example, why do we need to nerf such a beautiful new content into a wasteland in 1 patch. Yes NX. Hackers How much does hacker benefit from this? Sure, players gain additional 8k NX but hackers with simply 100 accounts setting up a bot & voting daily is getting 800k NX, out of thin air. Even if they get banned, they don’t care. Vote abuse Have you guys ever considered, how many players have been just banned simply due to voting? Our player retention is already horrible, finally the retained player finally made it up to 140, and gets banned! YES PERMANENTLY Due to what? Oh he double voted when he was lvl1-70. He is NO LONGER WELCOMED IN MAPLEROYALS, FOREVER. Huh????? Guess what, because of the player got perma banned, he and his buddy move on to which server? Our poor unpaid volunteer admin How many hours do you think his handling GM stuff? When is the last time you see tim actually going into his character and selling one hour of leech or simply join a APQ run? Why not remove something entirely from his workload? Simply because of this sickening rule Vote Abuse - The act of attempting to, or successfully, bypassing the restrictions of voting no more than once per 24 hours. How much harm has it caused our server in the past years? - Please, take a look. Voting for 8k NX daily isn’t a selling point, this is our server’s weakness. Its something that can be easily reworked and still benefit players & the game as a whole, just in a untradeable way. God reworking this isn’t even 1/10 as complicated as working on the autoban. If u can’t solve the hacker issue and just giving disappointing soonTM promises, look at officials, a multibillion company can’t solve the hacker problem, you think we the v62-v83 can? At least work on the next bigger problem. Your playerbase moral is already low enough.
For the benefit of current players, increase of playerbase and consistency, please hear us out before any more unnecessary causes.
to add on to this, royals rates are high and as @sparky95 have said our server is going at maximum speed with no brakes (fast progression) which is true
My biggest concern is hurting the casual player. Whether we like it or not (i do, personally) the casual player is the backbone of the server. Theyre arguably our bighest demographic, and are the most likely to leave if something changes in their immediate ecosystem. Reality is the dedicated "loyal" veterans will stay here regardless of what happens. As Fischoeder from Bobs burgers said when asked why he doesnt focus group the kids already at the Wharf- "Those sheep? I've already got their money". While there are people who take advantage of voting and use it to min/max hardcore, the vast majority use it for passive income. These players, i would argue most, play normal characters and are unlikely to make a mage or bishop till much later in the game, if at all. If we take away the apr from voting, there are many classes that are arguably just terrible at making money pre bossing. It will invite leeching and mages for farming equips to npc. I have an AM because i loved poison training and I use it to farm and leech my idiot projects like the 30k sair im making which is WHOLLY impractical. The voting NX is the only real way for me to make any meaningful amount of money as i dont want to sell leech or farm for hours on a character i dont really want to play anymore. Likewise, if voting is made harder (suggested elsewhere, just saying it here) i would probably not vote at all. If voting takes away all benefit, i would probably vote like 3 times for my NX cosmetics and never again. As my drive to help keep the server in the top spot, honestly, only goes so far and i already struggle to remember to vote as it is. The average consumer is not going to spend extra time helping the server unless they get rewarded for it. I think there are far more pressing issues to the server than our ability to make a few dozen mil a day selling APR from voting. I wont bother going into detail, this is far from the place for it.
8k nx for 40m is a bit to high (apr keep falls 11m~ for 3100nx/or questionable gacha rate for good items) also that daily 8k nx helps alot especially new players to kickstart their char and helps other players avoid going crazy abuse on multimage farming/leeching ... on daily baisis just to be able to play if PQ/team play gets rescue back to life in royals then sure get rid of "vote2win" but is not fair to put hackers/vote abusers as valid reason to rush remove vote2win geting them ban for life in royals for that might be bad i can agree to disagree they should be able to make new acc but they knew what they get in to way before clicking vote (the player has to be 15+lvl to vote is enough time to learn the rules and finish the Well Behaved Child medal maybe change to lvl 50+ to vote ) if they ignore that and keep abuse with that attitude what stops them to not abuse other aspect of the game aswell?
Not necessarily i'm afraid. There are definitely ways to make mesos pre bossing such as certain quests that gives you scrolls (Lv 85 - Unknown Love or x100 Lucky Bus tickets Quest). Although leeching and mage farming is the faster way to make mesos, new players without the requirements for such methods may ultimately choose to sell scrolls or even farming for quest items. I feel like most of us forget about the progressive gameplay we once used to be in pre-bossing. T^T
the whole entire meta of royals is already doing this. The HP washing. The strict bossing requirements the community place. The inflated gear. The RWT. The lack of diversity/players in low level content. A bunch of other shit. Casual player retention is pretty garbage as is, and some reasons may be Vote2win at its root. But the theory is that by doing this change, it would resolve a lot of the issues we have currently. "Sometimes you gotta close a door to open a window" - Tyler the creator.
1k NX = 5mil/4mil, you call it. Its not much, but to a hacker, 800k NX can be made while his taking a nap. In my opinion, its more then a valid reason, but this is only a part of the many problems that vote2win provides Ask yourself, how many of your own friends got banned for vote abuse after the Well Behaved child medal has been implemented? Multiclient is one of the many ways to farm. Sure. You’d hate on it with your life, this is not what we are really looking at. Look at this, can it be a solution to casuals? I see it as a heavily demanded item just like APRs, and a new form of apples that cannot be Botted by hackers. Imagine ludi PQ with a bot, i don’t think its possible. I do think, i strongly believe the recent PQ token can be fleshed out. Do you hate PQs? Do you hate party play? I don’t. Why not create a alternative to multimage farming as a main source of income. We can go from hey, new guy! Old - Make bishop, just make sure you sell leech! New - Make whatever class you want! Just make sure you participate in party quests! I’m sure we know APQ and how popular it is. Is it profitable for casuals? Yes. Is it profitable for non casuals? Yes. I do remember joong somewhat mentioned about bridging new players & veterans. Sad to say, until today this is the only profitable content that targets this problem. This might not be the solution, but i don’t think this is something royals with already a implemented system not want to venture in. Does it helps players to kickstart, lets take a look at another perspective. Lvl1-50 (1 week) What do they do? Buy pets, auto pot, pet pouch, You think they buy apr and gacha tickets? You can’t! Level 50 requirement. Sell NX? Maybe. After you reach lvl50, ah fuck. I need to wash my BM or whatever class u name it other then mage. Where does this lead to? bishoping / archmage + HS mule > multimage. Why not create a alternative? Take a step out from HP washing? One more question. Is bishop/mages really necessary if this is made profitable at this point? God i’m a magician maniac and i’m saying this lol
I have no issues with more pq/tokens I just hope staff considers some RNG or randomization for them, the linear expectation of pq grinding is so monotonous. That extremely low-stakes running stage in apq puts me in a coma. Anything to spice them up/break up the formula without totally changing how you complete them would go a long way for replayability, especially if the server is turning more pq oriented
I'm convinced at this point if a DRASTIC change isn't done, this server will just be RWT and people who don't play for months but still vote daily. Just empty content and the same people bossing everyday until MW20 is 100m. Royals is just really behind the curve right now in terms of content and ease of playability.
anything that can be bought in the cash shop can be gained through actual gameplay. There are plenty of regular quests, party quests, unpopular maps, and unpopular bosses that are begging to drop hp/mp gains, ap/skillresets, and gachapon tickets.
but why allways compare with how much hackers make? why race with them ? they will allways find way to abuse and make more noway legitimate chase their rates if royals remove "vote2win" who is going to vote daily and why ? how less votes going to keep the ranking ? vote abusers will find another method to abuse so nothing changea at end of the day just more trouble for the rest of the players yes i use "vote2win" daily just like evryone, i use the 8k to fund att pots for daily bossing myself is not much but it helps me runing without need to go leech/multimage farm evryday new players take advantage of that aswell, go grind,farm,events and still have daily runing meso for pots and so , day by day improve without makeing mules/mages orask spam for meso at end of the day there is so much broken things and am afraid that is too late for fix , with huge amount of RWT,ToS breakers around ... result of that is jut less and less players and marke crashing day by day you try bandaid-fix one area another wound shows next to it
Are you suggesting we entirely ignore hackers? They are fucking up the market, way way more then multimage does. Stopping a percentage is simply a band aid solution but it brings so much more. Heck stop all GM patrol & the autoban progression and toss it out the window then. Stop all banning of all hackers? Waht? This is the root problem of our server. Hackers. Please don't forget this issue. 10 hackers = how many NX generated? have you considered this. Have we forgotten about Hitta? Read my first post. There are alternatives that can be fleshed out further. If an ultimate solution? Reduce royals exp by half, if you vote, you get a 24hour x2 exp x2 drop x2 mesos card (to get the current rates). Pet pouches & Auto pet pot is now 7day time limit. By voting you get additional pendant slot, you can use these NX on SMegaphones / Telerocks / Shops / NX and even buy untradable APR if u want to speed up your progression. remove that fellow that sell the tp rocks, owls & smega in FM. This can be further looked into. Your multi-mage farmers will vote abuse the fuck out of it. It's allowed in gtop why not? There are other servers promotes vote abusing, we know which one and it's s effective. What is royals doing? PERMA BANNING PLAYERS. huh? Spoiler What are those server abusing? I got totally 0 idea why are you talking about multimaging in this thread. day by day improve without doing anything doesn't sound logical, casuals can enjoy party playing together. And simply because player who doesn't want to do anything to benefit 40mil. Do we continue to accept the weakness of the server? This is a problem. Multimage loners will remain (idk if u multimage farm yourself, but if you do. you should know how badly it's nerfed right now), yet lessen since there is a more profitable way of making mesos while playing together.
no am just saying that is not fair to compare with hackers and get "punished" because of that like we all get 8k a day and it helps us alot, why take that away just because there is ToS breakers that makes ilegal 800k nx/day ? punish the abuser with methods that will stop them for doing so not the rest of the players that follow the rules and get their 8k nx fairly because multimage/mules will be the only option left if just vote2win that gets removed next unless PQ/quests in royals gets rescued and some other things sure take the vote2win away 8k nx is great help (small amount but very helpfull for keeping casual daily things going like pots...) if is really seen as 8k for "nothing" why not make the 8k nx for 50lvl + and some 300 kill quest ingame daily ? or 2k nx for 15+ lvl and 300 mob hit , 3k for 30lvl quest daily ? why rush and take away that 8k instead of improve and find other ways to stop abusers
