CNY Red Envelopes nerf

lol i know this is super delayed but i just realized it now. There IS factual data. But most of it you cant talk about it at all in forums due to it having rwt site links or images. But also some logical data can be how are perfect weapons anywhere from 30-50b cost to create, but currently lower in price to buy. Where do they come from if nobody is making them, since its so costly to make them. And if you made one, why on earth would you ever sell it at such a loss. They just drop out of the sky in kerning?

On topic of red envelopes. Yeah. We spoiled af. I dont want to be a all year round multi client mage farmer. I want to just do it for one week and be happy about it. Then play the game normally the rest of the year. Nobody hates on how OP valentines APQ is, because its a PQ. But you and i know people who ONLY apq that one event and have gotten 2000 apples. AND WE FUCKING HATE APQ. Lol, dont yuck our yum. Nerfing anything just causes so much drama and a lot of us are just tired of it, even if the nerf is kinda ok and warranted. Its just such a buzzkill. Gosh.

Ps. Im jealous af youre at top golf without me rn and im freezing my peepee off. Fk u

 

I'm just curious. Instead of debating on whether a nerf is reasonable or not. What % does everyone think that it should be at for mages. Knowing currently: its -50% drop rate, and assuming mages are going to receive a nerf of some %.

 

Ulu1 duo mage- 20red envelopes / hour.

First year trying the event (even after playing this server for almost 3+ years )

My personal thoughts are that it’s not really worth going out of your way to farm them, compared to what others are saying about past year CNY events.

Aside from that, anyone considered forming a small party of attackers to farm mobs at higher level maps?

 

Maybe mess with the rewards rather than the drop rate? People like to gamble, feel like if you gave them a whole bunch of gambling tokens, and adjusted the drop rate/table to more useful items, like a softer version of gacha with a meso prize pool in the mix. That's how I'd go about it based on the feedback.

 

Preach Donn1e!!!
I was thinking the same thing. I was at slimes in my lower
Lvs and got 10-13 in 1 hour.
Went to coolie zombies and got around 20-40 hour

I don’t understand why make these small changes to make the game “better”?

thieves also earned alchemist. They take that an rip it.
Then they make it multi mills just
To recharge. Like what is this really doing …. And now this …. Come on.

 

Considering people don't like the "wealth gap" between poor players and rich players, and the advantage that hackers can take from events... I wonder how it would work out if we limited the number of RE redeemable per day. (Maybe like 100 RE limit/day)?
Would limit the demand of RE and the need to farm for it, curb legitimate player greed (like those hexa-farming daily, not throwing shade but you gotta admit it's a little greedy to be that hardcore), while still giving everyone a realistic chance to benefit equally from the event.

 

… I’m just going to leave this here… why try and change the system in a more difficult manner than staff has already decided. Just make it simple and start by finding what % the majority would compromise at… this shouldn’t be that hard

 

Envelope is extra reward from EVENT, this is low rate private server, and this game doesnt design for multiclient, story end.

 

rip duku

 

Yeah it’s just changing everything for the not so much better :/ what’s really going on… we play Royals for the nostalgia. I understand updates come
And such but I just don’t see it. Keep it going on the old school type of direction

 

I think the current nerf system of immediate DC is working just fine

 

This is unintended nerf .

 

Simply put the whole purpose of mages is to farm yet there is no incentive to making one anymore….
Archmages can’t boss yet all the melee classes can.
By this logic we should nerf all boss drops by any bossing class as well.
If someone is mad that mages make more mesos then make a mage.

 

Yeah because Mages can't farm everything else, they can ONLY farm events is their ONLY source of income
is not like the events are mostly mobs only, Mages NEED to be the best at farming events compared to everyone else and everyone has to be forced to play a class in order to have the same rates as a Mage for the event AND the event alone

No one is asking, make other classes get the same EPH or Same amount of equips/scrolls , just events

No incentive to playing Mages? I thought people played the class because they LIKED it , people still play DK even tho they can't zerk at later bosses. or Marksman even tho Bowmaster exists
God forbid liking mages, nope only farming is the only reason people make one.

TL , DR we're talking only about equality for the event , not drops in general, mages are seen as something other than farm-machines for everyone but you

 

The main thing that needs to be focused on by people, in my opinion, is the fact of the added 1k NX Coupons to the pool. ALONGSIDE the fact that as far as I remember, CNY event last year, was 2 weeks long. This year the event is for a longer duration. There's more NX to be obtained. There's more wish tickets provided from the event mobs. Wish tickets will decline the price of 30% scrolls throughout the event. Add on top of that, more gachapon will be occurring (and as a lot of Gacha happens at Shrine, even more reason for 30%'s to decrease in price). If you allow nx gains to stay exactly what they were in prior years, for a longer duration of time, AND with more NX to be gained, with APR currently sitting at 9-10m, I can't imagine what NX will be like at the end of the event. As well as what 30% scrolls will cost. Have fun killing the market in my opinion.

If say a 20-25% drop rate penalty was applied, a 20% penalty alone, mathematically makes up for 1k coupons being in the pool. (5k nx was the jackpot, 1k NX is 20% or 1/5 of 5k nx, therefore a 20% nerf SHOULD equal out rates). If you remove the penalty altogether, NX is going to be more flooded than it already is with this event. APR's will tank in price more, 30% scrolls will tank in price more. Correction with this last statement: Have fun obliterating the market, causing more reasons for you to complain at the staff with 800 different ideas, expecting any of them to be listened to, when the community wont even work with staff, on simple solutions, to the current systems and rates the staff have decided on. And then question why nothing gets done.

This community (not all, but a lot of people) are completely unreasonable, and will never be able to be satisfied.


Feel free to provide useful information to the staff by voting for your opinion here: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/poll-what-should-mages-dk’s-drop-rate-of-cny-re-be-nerfed.200576/

The more votes provided = a more accurate consensus = an easier decision for everyone in regards to how staff should proceed with (IF ANY) changes to this years CNY event. (Disclaimer: You may vote once, are not allowed to change your vote, and cannot view results until after you have voted). Thank you for the time you've taken reading this post. Happy Royaling!

 

Im pretty sure that by adding the 1k nx coupoons, the rates actually did not change at all... you just get less 5k coupons by adding 1k into the mix. The gains are just more average now so you cant get extremly unlucky or lucky with 5k tickets, especially on runs with lower amount of tickets. But i guess a GM would have to confirm this. (So far it feels like the rates are even worse than what i remember lmao, but i could be just unlucky)

Other than that im pretty dissapointed in the event and agree with much of what @Jooon said :c At least the event started eariler so i canceled my plan to make two more mages lmao.

 

I only participate cny event in 2019 , 2020 2021 was busy working so i quit for 2years, now 2022 im free but the rate is so good now~
Im sad~ atleast u guys enjoying the envelope for so many years...im the 1 should crying....

 

I definitely hear you! Thank you for the useful feedback

 

After reading the whole thread, looks like theres several oposing opinions, wich is fine, but some of them, if not most are based more on personal opinions than confirmed facts, the state of the market is ofc fault of OP events and farmers, and mesos are not deflated by: 2-3k ppl that came out of nowhere made a shit ton of mesos and mainly ITEMS and decided to loan/gift them, making the market freeze for quite a while, market becoming centralized just bcs several nerfs/removes that made everyone pretty much do the same shit over and over, and nx is being inflated by the huge amount ppl got by xmas event and CNY and has nothing to do to have an excess of 6k votes(48m nx daily=200b?) DAILY of both vote abusers+completely inactive ppl that just come once in a while, flood the market with their mesos and leave witouth spending a single of them. This could be a derail of this thread , so wont go any further into this, but ppl pls, take all the issues in cosinderation b4 reach to a conclusion of why the market is what it is, also rmemebr that we have pretty much 2 types of currencys and a "single country in the whole world" so inflation works REALLY different from how it works irl.

Coming back to the topic the main question is. Why did you guys did this change? with the proofs in this thread its shown that the drop rate has been cutted by half every year since 2020 .
1-Where you worried about a huge influx of mesos/nx will accelerate the aging procces of the server?
2-Where you trying to respond to those ppl complaining about being "forced" to create mages to actually take advantage of the events?
3-Or you tried to save some time(bcs of course no one plans a patch that full of bugs) by just realsing the event and end it at the same as realeasing the valetines patch?( not trying to offend or whatsoever here)

1-As i said here, event a full free CNY is less harmfull to game economy than hacking rwting and especially than voting witotuh even have to log, also we need new ppl to buy things that are in the market rn and money is less dangerous in the hands of ppl who ACTUALLY GONNA USE IT, this thread and several others are full of "farming is the rich getting richer" arent you aware of how many newbies were advised to make a mage(or several) to take advantage of this event and theyre just extremely disappointed? Yes ofc a veteran who has 8 mages will take more advantage of this event than the newbie with just 1 or 2, but think about it, if the old playes makes 20b in this event and the newbie makes 8-10 will that make the gap between old and newbies bigger? fr? when a veteran needs 30b to upgrade 1wa meanwhile the newbie can upgrade 4-6 perhaps with half that amount? Think it right... i have seen this gap getting closer with some friends of mine... and its good they have the same options as everyone did in their times.

2.- Even if Im a person who likes balance between the jobs, this is a no go. Ppl who complain " youre forcing me to create mages otherwise i cannot take advanateg of this event or even play the game" should complain to life saying " youre forcing me to do excercise and have a proper habits to have a good health, what if i like to eat donuts for breakfast?" Not to count theyre just wrong, theres a difference between slower process than no progress at all, and this is coming from me, several ppl in this smae thread have witnessed me getting to perf weapon and 50(or around) cgs not only not having mages, is even witouth having mules at all, shure it took me almost 2 years when several ppl get the same amount in less than a year, but who cares? i haved fun, always played in my free times and becomae strong anyways...whats the big rush?. It seems ridicoulous to me thatn im getting way more tickests/envelopes with just my drk, that what i could get with 4 mages, it doesnt make any sense.

3.- I agree that 3 weeks of an OP CNY would be too much maybe, if thats why you nerfed it again it actually makes sense, but that doesnt mean it was a good idea

My suggestiosn will be:

1.- Buff the event to 75% of 2020 state(bcs as i said in my previous reply 2021 was already a letdown) and make it last 10 days. The server gets the same impact in terms of mesos/nx influx but players will be hyped(ofc there will be complains about short duration, but believe me, even those ppl will be writing letter by letter while theyre playing likecrazy)

2.-Leave it as it is and be clear with ppl that this will be like this from now on, so the hype dies RN , and we gonna be aware that this is probably the worst of all events, no hype= no disapointments and hey, 10m extra an hour is not that bad isnt it?

3.- Just get rid of it. Sadly theres no middle points here, events are either hype or disapointments, better to not give players expectations if the thing not gonna pay back.