Analysis of Reul's HP Quest and other HP Sources

I did a little analysis of Reul's HP Quest and other HP Sources in the game a while back, but never got to publish it.
So here it is.

You can take a look at 4 diffrent stages of Levels (120/155/175/200).

Some Infos on my calculations:
1. I didnt add any Base INT because that basically just means less HP Quests till it turns daily.
2. As for INT Gear i chose 36 as thats probably easy to achieve without needing acutal INT Gear.
3. INT Gear is facorted in at lvl 50+.
4. HP/MP values are from Shiyui's calculator.
5. I didnt really touch mages so far.
6. I hope i didnt fk up my maths.

Things i realized:
1. Pally and DK can only do Reul's HP Quest 5 times max till it turns daily even on lvl 120.
2. The daily limit for all warriors for Reul's HP Quest will be reached before lvl 155 just by natrual MP Gain that "needs" to be washed out.
3. The earlier you do Reul's Quest the better if you dont want it to turn daily, because you will have less MP that "needs" to be washed out.
4. With all HP Washing alternatives Thiefs/Archers can achieve 13k, Sairs 13.5k, Buccs 18.5k and Warriors 27k HP by lvl 175.

I didnt put this on the feedback section on purpose because i dont have a 100% bullet proof solution myself. Im just here for a good discussion that could hopefully lead us somewhere.

My Opinion:
Read this with caution as its very controversial!

I dont like the concept of HB being seen as mandatory when talking about HP-Washing. I look at it as a QoL buff for bossing as it makes surviving easier. It shouldnt be the buff which you need everytime 100% of the time else you cant even start your boss run.

The personal HP Goal i would like to be able to reach without running around with 300 INT would be 18750HP for non-warriors and 22950 HP for warriors by level 200.
I set those to make HB not irrelevant for non-warriors and let warriors tank a hit of Bodyguard with maxed achilles. Maybe decrease Auf Havens Magic Ball attacks a bit so you can survive 2 hits of it during SED with 18750 too, but thats a diffrent story.
To reach those goals players should be doing all kinds of HP washing alternatives. Dont get me wrong here it should never be done easily, but also not as hard as the current daily Reuls Quest at some point.

Diffrent ideas to close the gap:
- Increase HP on some untradeable gear (e.g. Ludi PQ Glasses to 150 HP?)
- Highlevel Quest/task for MP (I've seen some cool ideas for Bossing, PQing and Tokens of Teamwork on the forums)
- Change Reuls HP Quest threshold to a certain amount of HP gained to make more inclusive with traditional washing
- Increase HP Values for Reuls Quest Buffed in Update 75 from average 15 to 35 HP

Final thought:
The problem about HP washing is not the funding it takes. It’s a way to invest into your character just like upgrading gear or upgrading skills e.g. MW20.

The problem is that our newcomers need that money and knowledge right when they start (int gear + mostly leech as 350 INT NLs are useless for grinding/PQing). This hurts the early game. If they didn’t plan their characters ahead they are hard to fix just by the 2 HP Quest (atleast for high hp goals Toad/Auf Haven/PB?) because they won’t have MP to convert to HP.

I hope these or similar ideas bring back more active low level content as players wouldnt need to run around with 350 Base INT.
The APR Market would still be intact as players would wanna wash out the MP generated they got from the Highlevel Quest/Task at some point.

 

that deserves a bump.
Even as a player who has many heavily washed chars, I do feel like a better alternative to hp washing NEED to be added so everyone can enjoy all the contents. I find Reul's elixir quests to have a lot of potential, though. Please increase the amount of hp the potions give (I'd say twice as much, so 20/40). An average of 30hp gained per quest seems pretty fair to me

 

O yes I somehow forgot that idea to buff the hp gains. I’ll add it in!

 

I really like this.

 

Is your study going to be continued after the recent update? Im not doing a whole chart and recording stuff, youre much better at that.

I made an MM on dec 1st and casually got 8336hp (bossing equips on) by lvl 142. No leech, 4 base int, no mesos purchased APR. the recent change to the hp quest is pretty awesome. I didnt feel the need to wash at all, and leveling naturally was much more fun than leeching. The party grinding exp buff is a bit nutty.

Based off of playing this MM, Im making a new mapleroyals guide that takes new players away from the leeching meta and gets them to understand that hp questing and natural progression is a more enjoyable option than the leech/wash meta. still not as "efficient" but just way more healthier for general royals gameplay.

 

Looking forward to your guide! Yes I can update the sheet. The recent patch just affects one number. I’ll do it later.
Edit: O yea I forgot I already changed the average HP gain per quest to 35.

 

Things to note after Update 75
1. You can now get 35 HP per day = 245 HP per week = 1050 HP per months on average from Reuls HP Quest.
2. For warriors the HP threshold is already reached after completing the Quest twice now even at level 120. So changes regarding the threshold eg. changing it to gaining X amount of HP can still be worth to consider.

I added the average amount of Reuls Quests till the threshold is reached under column N of my spreadsheet.

 

very much looking forward to this. i got a new mm waiting in the wings

 

Thank you for sharing this useful information!

I have a question about the HP threshold: if you turn in the quest but do not use the elixir (i.e., let it just sit in your inventory), does that allow you to infinitely complete the quest?

 

Last i heard of someone doing that, it stopped them from being able to do any more until they used the potions? I didnt hear it directly from the person though. A GM might need to confirm that.

 

you can keep the pots and still get HP quests (1 per day or unlimited)
the unilimited -> 1day change comes after certain HP goals

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although is interesting but bug abuse i guess? if you get unlimited quests without useing the pots (geting unlimited quests without reaching the HP goals because keep pots in inventory)

 

This should not be possible. It would make the thresholds useless and would indeed be bug abuse. Afaik the system also accounts the potions in your inventory tho.

 

Thanks. I'll submit a report.

 

there is something wrong in hpgear sheet, 2cara ring and ephenis ring are not in the riight place

 

Fixed, ty!

 

So does this mean that you can spam the quest until you hit the threshold? meaning the quest is unlimited till you hit a certain HP cap? I'm a returning player (hero lvl 129 11,500k HP) trying to figure this all out. I didn't add int at all during leveling and don't really want to reroll. However, I know that washing doesn't take much for my class so it feels kinda bad to ignore HP.

Also, @GunzGaming I'm very interested in seeing your guide!

 

yes you can redo-spam quest till you reach the threshold by 175lvl of 17.983
also you can get cards along the way and make collector medal for more HP and some other items/quests
so you can avoid the HP wash worries and force leech due to to much int and enjoy on content a bit better

btw even after limit to daily 20-50hp is fairly good task to do and kinda fun goal to achive more HP without wash/leech and mules (it can get repetitive a bit but you can also start farm area boss and other things near your quest task )

 

@MaiAh thank you so much for the reply.

Another question: is this the same as the 1k HP quest? If not, should I save that 1k HP quest until I've hit the threshold at 175?

Second question: So this is repeatable until the threshold of 17.983k HP, does that mean each turn in is 20-50 HP (spammable) then it turns into 20-50 HP (daily)?

 

1) it’s not the same quest. You can do the 1k hp quest now it doesn’t add to the threshold.

2) yes, but the threshold includes the potential hp you get from leveling up to 175 and the current mp you have above minimum mp for your Level which you could convert to HP with APRs
It’s more like potential HP on 175 than actual HP if you know what I mean.

 

Im looking to finish it this summer, and preferably after the new changes to hp gain are implemented. Im not motivated to do it right now. Im a realtor and contractor, which is like crazy right now in the U.S. and its the middle of rugby season. Between motivation/work/sports i cant.

When i do finish it, im looking to have it as a spreadsheet style rather than a long forum post. It will easier to manage and update.

Keep on doing that daily hp quest though man. Its really good and under rated.

If people want to help with this new player guide project pls dm me.

I made this for New World when it came out as an example.