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Okay i totally understand. I appreciate you trying to explain me the requirements. Thank you.

And I would very much like to see what they have to say about this.

 

A personal opinion of this issue.
At that moment when he decides to answer you with MW dropped and willing to give you split, you guys are still in decent friendly terms before any arguement happened.

Meaning to say he have no intention to BS you in anyway, or he would’ve just straight up gave you a “dry” as reply.

I do think the above point is important.

Running out of stars and genning the entire arm does happen, I’ve seen enough. If i were in this scenario, i would’ve left the run immediately and not gamble with time genning arms down for a book when it can be used to do something more profitable.

Have you ever seen how inefficient and how long it will take for bishop to even gen 5% of the arm?
Oh boy i know LOL.

At this point it doesn’t matter at what % you
DC-ed, but the duration of the full run.

But hey, just my 2 cents, unless with duration and SS-es its hard to pinpoint whose at fault.

 

He didn’t want to share the splits at first, buddy. I could’ve left when the 2 DPS’ dced too but instead i stayed and helped him cause i really thought bringing 2 mules is very harsh.

He DID OFFER me 25% of the split(in his defense he said 25% isnt even near to 10 apples).

And seriously? The fact that he even considered to lie to me that mw20 didn’t drop is already an a hole move and blacklistable.

If you put yourself in his shoes then you should consider put yourself in my shoes too. Imagine staying there for an hour killing 3 heads and 1 wing and one arm and not even getting 10 apples back?
Seriously, would you stay and solo HT at 60% HP as a NL without SE?

I really freaking hope he’s happy with the mw20 money. Hope it’s worth it.

 

Bye.

i want to believe that i could trust Random people but it will be hard after the recent events
thanks for the support though.

 

Can you include
- which mules is he using
- what attacker class and level are both you guys on?

Thank you! Please do share in detail

 

I completely disagree.

If Momobella had replied with "dry", I would consider it a full 1.8b~ scam since they would be lying about the drop. This is equivalent to picking up gen20 in the corner of Zakum map and not telling anyone (before the chat message update). Being a decent and honest player about any drop is the least anyone can do, and this situation is of course included. Anything less is simply a scam.

Additionally, no one forced momobella to gen the rest of horntails HP. If it was that much of a bother - the crystal was right there. You can't blame other people for your unpreparedness and for the effort that YOU choose to put in. And on that note, the mules for more splits argument is nullified since mules, while they do require more effort, are brought solely for NX grab and nothing more.

Also, no sane Nightlord (especially one with a low amount of stars) would ever consider soloing HT without SE. As a result, the SEs contribution to the run can not be understated, i.e. without him the run would be a fail.

Think of yourself in a horntail run. Would you accept a small split or no split at all after you spent over an hour in horntail, and having used 10 apples? I find that hard to believe.

Above all this, the fact that you Jooon are supporting your fellow Rogue member is not surprising. Who would choose to side with a stranger instead of a long-time friend?
Adding the fact that Rogues reputation is that of an elitist guild who checks your gear and range, and mostly consists of "sweaty" players, this seems an open-and-shut case.

EDIT: Someone reported my post so I had remove a couple words. L M A O

 

He had an HS mule and CR mule. He was a NL. I dont quite remember his level but i’m 182.

And i dont think those things have anything to do with the mw20’s split money. He got all the nx and the rest of the drops. I’m sure that’s enough for him to buy himself a nice piece of something to satisfy his greed.

 

Very fair reply, though I'd like to correct that when a NL has no SE and is on arm solo. its possible to drain your stars quite a fair bit, as we all know this class is horrible without it.
Especially after a full 85%-90% run. I do feel its reasonable to give that term "BS" a benefit of doubt.

While i am indeed Momobella's guild member. I'm also in a spot to recommend whether should the mesos to be dispersed to "JuicyFatD"
Elitist sweaty and selfish is of course up to your decision, but i believe its only right for us to make this scenario clear as day simply because it would be the guild that disperse the mesos out to repay the victim if this is indeed falls under a "scam". I would love to hear more from @Crackhead123

So Bishop mule, Crash mule and Night Lord. ( This is indeed sweaty )
While you are a BM/MM at level 182?
I do think its a scenario where momo might felt "overworked" throughout the 3 heads and to top it off
- solo the remaining with a SE-less NL only to run out of star
- genning the rest with his Bishop mule.
- put in a spot to give a fair 50% split.

Please let me know whether if this is correct, or i might be misunderstanding something.

 

I really appreciate your effort into trying to repay the money for him. But you guys privately discussed what amount i should get which i already saw and i still dont think it’s fair tbh. Kinda bias if you ask me that MOMOBELLA’s guildies made a poll to decide how much split money i should get dont you think?

I would like to discuss this while MOMOBELLA’s in present thank you very much.

It would also be fair too if my guildies can join and vote on the poll that you guys showed me.

 

Unfortunately because it is coming out from our guild's pocket, I'm unable to participate you guys in this exciting activity.

For you to be spending your time running with Rogue's member and coming into this situation is indeed unfortunate, and rogue will go an extra mile to make the Mesos distribution is fair.

To a extend I do understand as a player that its very normal for a player to feel uncomfortable and unfair for a 50/50 distribution in terms of effort & time.
Please do share your opinion on how much mesos do you think you should receive.

Momobella - Bishop mule, Crash mule and Night Lord.
JuicyFatD - BM/MM at level 182?

Please confirm if this is correct as well, thank you!

 

I’m not talking about your guild. I’m talking about MOMOBELLA as an individual. He took the MW20 so he should stand up for himself and use that money to share the split money. You guys take no parts in this. If you care about your guild’s reputation you should stop taking responsibilties for his actions. You’re not his mum or dad.

The fact that you’re pointing out details on how hard he ‘worked’ to lowball the split money is actually funny.

And no i dont think he felt overworked at all as he said himself he was willing to solo EVEN IF I LEFT AT 65% (which is completely bs) anyway and he was in a 3 hours run before.

I can’t confirm if he gene on his bishop or not cause i was not there.

AND NO he DID NOT offer me 50% splits.

Honestly the fact that we have to argue about how much split money i should get is sad. He should have some common sense and just split it anyway.

 

To clarify on my side, here are just a few points that I would like to mention regarding JuicyFatD’s statements:

1. If I had no intention of sharing the splits at first, I would have replied you that it was a dry run when you asked me. I believe when we were talking about the drops, we were in friendly terms at the beginning. So, you asked for 80% of the split (around 800m as you mentioned). To be honest, considering that I spend a long time solo-ing both arms (NL run out of stars and gen the rest of the run) after you dced, what I had in mind was to give you 25% split, which means assuming mw20 is 1.8b, you get 1.8b * 25% = 450mil. Then, you said all you want is to get your 10 apples back. To which I replied that the split that I was going to give you is definitely not just 10 apples (~450m vs 10 apples?).

"in his defense he said 25% isnt even near to 10 apples"
I’m not sure if I was having a typing mistake or you misunderstood my English, I was saying that 25% is definitely more than 10 apples. And if you think about the math, you should be able to figure out that 25% can’t be “isn’t even near to 10 apples”.

"He then claimed that he would’ve gone and soloed anyway even if i left. Let’s be honest here, that’s straight up bs "
I said this because you mentioned that if it weren’t for you (if you had dced earlier), I wouldn’t have finished the HT run. I can't guarantee for sure that I will finish the entire run on solo. But to be honest, that day I was in good mood during the run, so even if you dced, I will carry on to solo the HT, although I might give up later.

2. From my 2 years experience of bossing in Royals, it is a rule of thumb that the host decides the % of the splits and nx priority in HT runs. I personally think that the amount of split that you wanted was not what I had in mind, I wanted to give you 25% split (~450m) and that’s what I told you as well. If you are not satisfied with this amount, you could’ve have nego with me to reach a consensus. But right after I mentioned about 25% split, you said “keep your money” and went to blacklist me. And now you’re claiming that I didn’t want to share the splits at first, which is completely not true, because if I didn’t want to share the split, why would I bother telling u that mw20 was dropped?

3. " The fact that he even considered to lie to me that mw20 didn’t drop is already an a hole move and blacklistable."
Just for clarification, I said this after you said “thanks for letting you know how selfish I am” towards the end of the conversation I believe, then only I replied that if I’m truly selfish, I would not even tell you that mw20 dropped.

4. If you are not satisfied with the 25% split that I proposed, you could’ve just nego with me on the spot instead of go angry and blacklist me just because you are dissatisfied. I did mention that the splits are definitely more than your 10 apples, and it is not “small split or no split at all” (25% aka ~450m).

5. The 50% split that Joon mentioned above refers to (assuming mw20 is 1.8b), 50% split he mentioned is referring to (1.8b /2) * 50% = 450mil, which is the same thing as what I said about 25% split (1.8b*25% = 450mil).

 

Friendly term sure. But did you have any intetion sharing the splits at first? NO. Dont even try to lie. 80% as in split in two and then you can keep the 20%(which is like 300m+), that was my first offer. Is it not enough for you? You did not solo completely both arms. I helped you a lot when it almost died. I LITERALLY ASKED YOU ‘CAN I JUST HAVE MY 10 APPLES BACK’ and you said ‘not even 10 i would say cause i brought 2 mules’. The hypocricy LMFAO

Sure hosts get to decide BEFORE THE RUN NOT LIKE 1 HOUR AND A HALF IN. You don’t get to decide my split after i helped you 80% of the run.

Yeah and? You still considered to actually lie about the drop lmao. As Yoav said, it would be a total scam if you actually lied about it. And you still have the audacity to bring that up again?

I DID TRY TO NEGOTIATE WITH YOU BUT YOU IGNORED ME FOR LIKE FOREVER. I said ‘how about 60%(which is like 600m in my opinion). You still got to keep ~1.2b. Is it still not enough for you?

Honestly keep your money. I dont give a crap honestly. The fact that you had to keep on lying about this STILL… it’s just too much for me. Keep the money and buy yourself something nice babes. But you’re still in my blacklist and a lot of peoples blacklist too. Have a goodnight.

 

Again, i really dont care what you guys think about this situation. But this person is a pathetic liar. I have no need to prove anything to anyone anymore. He can keep the split money. Done. I really dont need it. I really hope you’re happy with the money you earned by SOLOING. It’s up to you guys to decide who to believe. I really dont give a f. Goodbye.

 

if i dont hv any intention to share the splits, why would i ask "how much you wan from the splits?"
do math bro, 20% = 300m? (1.8b/2)*20% = 180 mil.
Right after u said just give you back your 10 apples, i said "DEFINETLY NOT 10 APPLES, I THINKING ABOUT giving you 25% OF THE SPLITS". And you gone mad and said " keep the mesos", DO U EVEN DO MATH? You're the 1 twist the true story, true story are both nl DCed @50% hp of ht, u dced 30% of the whole HT, u said arm's was dying before u dced? Did u see any seduce notices from arms? u know how many gelt i used after u dced just to get the "Yellow NOTICES"?

 

Again, you said ‘not even 10 apples’ when i asked for it. I have no need to lie to a bunch of random people babes. Stop embarassing yourself. You said 25% BEFORE you mentioned anything about apples. AND 25% in my opinion is still low as f. 180m? Who do you think you’re kidding with?

Absolutely not they got dced at around 60-65% most definitely

But hey, tell yourself one thing would you stay and solo with no SE? Think about it and be honest.

But i dont care anymore. Keep the money babes. I’m gonna take a break from this game again. I honestly hope you’re happy with the money. Not kidding.

When you go to bed at night, please ask yourself ‘is it worth it to take all of that money while someone willingly stayed and help me?’

Goodbye never see your face again.

 

The Chad trio client NL vs the virgin 7k ranged SE mule*

 

We had a good community discussion going on here earlier, but now it's just bickering between you two with no one providing any evidence. Unless you have any evidence to back up your claims (this goes out to both of you), let's leave this discussion now.

Use the in-game blacklist and don't run with each other again is the best course of action at this point.

 

From a bystander point of view, there are a couple of things which I couldn't understand very well (sorry if I'm being silly or something ):

Why would this Mesos come out of Rogue pocket? Is Rogue running on some sort of a shared funds that you get splits of the mw20 each individual earns as well?
If what I'm understanding is correct, the said player did not just scammed and left (and in this case the guild wants to refund to not have a bad name) but rather took a decision to give X% of what is common to give in a full run (given the circumstances), and that is what you guys are debating about.
In this case, (unless Rogue as a guild is getting split from every memebers' mw20 earning) the mw20 earning 100% property of the said player that had finished the run. Since clearly he is willing to ask how much he should split in a poll, why would the guild cover for it and pay his splits while he individually profits from the mw20?
If Rogue as a guild will decide to give 25% of the splits, it won't be out of Rogue guild funds but rather the player's (since he already got the full Meso on the mw20 sale). Hence, I see no point in saying it's up to Rogue decision because it's coming out of the guild's Meso.
Otherwise, if the said player has already decided on giving 25% of the splits (which leads me to my next question) then Rogue private poll should be on the rest of the % that needed (or not needed) to be refunded in their perspective.
(Or please correct me if I am mistaken and Rogue will pay the split while the said player will get the full ~1.8b on the mw20 sale).

Regarding to the said %'s of split, I couldn't fully understand (and I suspect that neither the people who are involved in this dispute) if the 25% is applied after dividing by 2 (namely: 25% out of 1.8b/2 split = 0.25*900m) *OR* relates to 25% of the total sale earning (namely: 25% out of 1.8b split = 0.25*1800m). From the first quote I understood that it's after dividing by 2 (since only that way it's around the price of 10 apples and even a bit more than that) but from the last quote I understood that it's of the total sale earning.

Either way, and in my most honest biased personal opinion (sorry for Player A , Player B thing, I,m horrible at spelling out IGNs):

• Both players had crucial contribution in ending this run and without both it had most likely been a failed run with no drops (Player A was giving SE buff and did a significant amount of damage over a span of an hour, and if what is being said here is true and Player B did ran out of throwing stars, then without Player A's damage the solo bishop would have been much more dreadful and even non achievable in regular potion matter circumstances. And without Player B finishing off soloing with NL w/o SE and bishop solo, it would've been a failed run).
  
• Both players put hour(s) of their time and spent in-game fruit in the form of an apple (or chocolates of the infamous brand "Gelt") to do this boss together.
• Player B did ended up being the one to finish the boss and bring mules (causing to spend more potions / apples / gelts / time) BUT he also did get around 3~5 tickets of 5K NX including potions, some dragon weapons and maybe other stuff that can compensate for the extra potions spent).

Looking at those points I would say it would be unfair for one of the players (A or B) to get nothing out of the run.
I think the split should be equal (AKA 50% out of 1.8b) BUT if Player B feels that he put more time / meso / apples / potions and got LESS in return for his effort, than I suggest splitting it in a way Player B gets some sort of compensation (for instance such way could be: 40% out of the 1.8b and the 10% goes to funding the time / meso / apples lost, or 50% split and afterwards Player B will get refunded for every extra 1 hour of solo-ing in skele rates and for every apple in apples rates, and so on...)
Also, I would say that I like using random bolds.


But seriously,

A friendly reminder to all of you, we all play this game to enjoy and make our time nicer so please try to solve it in a way that no one ends up feeling bad .

Spoiler: Oh, and if this said MW20 skill book thing causes so many problems...

I wouldn't mind sacrificing myself to solve the dispute by using it on my buccaneer :3
(only if it solves the issues of course OF COURSE)