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to u it might be worthless, to others, we dont know buddy.

 

If ppl try hard all u have to do is try harder.
No excuse

 

I killed a manon that makes me toxic

 

So.. you've gotten rejected and never done HT? That would explain why you are killing all manons and not giving a fuck about it.

Seriously though, by all means, you are free to do whatever you want in the oh-so-beautiful Maple World as long as it is within the server's ToS.
In my opinion hunting Manon for 250 nx, a gizer and negligible amount of mesos is just a bit toxic.
Most people, especially the ones that have participated in HT runs know it's kind of an unwritten rule to not kill all Manon.
Hell, there even are daily/weekly cringy smegas by people 'accusing' their friend to have killed all Manon in an attempt to be funny.

On itself though, I don't think it is forum blacklist worthy. In-game though, I would probably blacklist you for that.
Now, I can imagine that your whole response to the situation on the last 4-5 forum pages would make people lean towards forum blacklist after all.

 

I remember being a fresh 4th job bm and finding out manon dropped cool stuff. I killed a few and then found out that it hurts the bossing community, so I stopped because I'm not a dickhead. Go get "rich" from your gizers and 250 nx lmao. Ultimately I blame Matt, but even if its drops are nerfed people will still kill it just because they're bored/dicks. Just more barriers and disparity between the people who want to boss with friends to earn mesos and the mages who isolate and farm for 200m+ an hour.

 

I think there were enough discussions about whether he should be blacklisted, so I am moving to other topics that will be brought up by some questions I have in mind.

How should this game be played? I believe the majority don't have a clear answer and this leads to various style of playing we have here, and is a part of fun this game has.

Apparently no one can decide. This game contains various contents we can enjoy from, no one should be pleasing others because of what he/she enjoys from is less popular.

I believe most of us do what we either find fun or get benefit from. @gachaboi123 clearly stated he finds it profitable (it still drops 1k and 5k nx card tho). Similarly, I find farming is more profitable and shouldn't be blamed for not joining HT runs. What we think don't always apply to others.

What's the definition of "hurting the bossing community"? If it's "making more limitation for others to form a HT group", then I am also hurting the bossing community because I rather farm than provide SE, a scarcity of the bossing community, and end up leading others to cancel the run.

Correct me if I am missing any point. After all, @gachaboi123 even though I know it's not really wrong, I would recommend to move on (not difficult imo) after knowing it's less welcomed by the community, if you are willing to provide a little piece of peace to the world.

 

Firstly, your reply here clearly shows that you did one of these 2 things. You have either cherry-picked what you wanted to read from my response or you took things out of context. Allow me to be clear what I meant in my 4th paragraph. Everyone should play this game however they want as long as they are not breaking mapleroyal rules or disrupting the community of mapleroyal in a malicious way. And when the community I am referring to is EVERYONE, not just you HT runners who are whining about manon spawn all day long. And the reason why I shared my experience on why I got rejected from HT is not to say I want to take revenge. What I meant was everyone should have the right to play however they want. You as a player has no right to set any rules as you don't get any privilege here just because you are a veteran HT runners. If anyone wants me to stop hunting manon, it will be GM or owner of the game asking me.

It boils down to this. You are hunting manon for HT quest and I am hunting manon for mesos. We are just competing for manon. Please stop trying to paint me as a villain here just because you are either unlucky or maybe you just choose not to put in as much effort as me to hunt.

I think you have really underestimated manon's drop. Allow me to share with you how I earned my mesos from manon.

Phoenix 30: 20 ~ 40m
Dragon Strike 30: 20 ~ 30m
Guardian 30: 10 ~ 30m
Achilles 30: Used to be 70m ++ but now is 5m to 10m after after some mobs from ellin forest will drop
Holy Shield 30: 10 ~ 20m

Price will definitely fluctuate and can be below the stated range but it is decent mesos for people who just started the game
If lucky you can get 5k NX. If even luckier, you can get above average or perf weapon which worth 20m ~ 150m

I have been doing this for 2 years and 30% of my mesos came from manon's hunt to purchase perf claw, wa equipments, rings, mtk, etc. So hope that justified more why I want to hunt manon and hunting manon is not troll you guys.

Like I said, I really could not care less if I am getting blacklisted or not. Seriously..instead of spending so much time thinking on how to convince the community to blacklist me or requesting GM to make HT quest easier. Why not spend this time to go and hunt for manon to clear your HT quest?

And yes I have done my part by allowing people who enter my manon map to share the manon.
Extra commentary**But if you don't even want to surf the channel to find manon, I just feel you are entitled, lazy and just looking for easy way out.

 

You know, I was going to lay this thread to rest as it seemed relatively settled, but this is such an unbelievably brain dead take that I feel the need to enlighten you.

You ever notice that near every time you go to manon there's tons of them available to be farmed? Such easy money, right? Fast kills, decent income. You must think you're the genius who figured out the secret money making method and everyone else is an idiot for not following suit.

Newsflash: those manons exist because 99% of the community leave them be. You benefit from the lack of competition you so ignorantly deride, because everyone who can snap a manon in half in 10 seconds does not scythe through every channel in 5 minutes, having the slightest modicum of decency which you entirely seem to lack.

In this idealized world of "competitive" manon hunting that you seem to have built up in your head, I assure you you would not see a single one for the rest of your life. Nobody's trying to enforce this new, unreasonable rule on you out of nowhere. People have taught you about this common rule both implicit and explicit that near-everyone but you follows, and you are the only one refusing to follow suit. That's how you wound up on the blacklist, not this mysterious cabal of elites who everyone is looking to please at your expense.

Jesus Christ. And you speak of entitlement. Perhaps the lesson here is that every manon should be killed on the hour, every hour, so no manon hunter can ever profit again. That'd be such a fun way to play this server, right?

Imagine caring about other people's experiences.

P.S.

Never killed more than 1 manon at a time, for elixirs only. Played no more than 2 months on that char. Card hunting does not require that you block every manon spawn for hours and hours.

 

But you are knowlingly DISRUPTING a large portion of the community of Mapleroyals. Maybe not maliciously but still you are disrupting many people, not just a few.

I must say, to "quote" Dave Deviluke from the beginning that "context matters".

And by every of your responses here, you more and more shift the whole situation towards you being intentionally stubborn by depicting some childish dog-eat-dog-oh-so-hard-kill-or-die world that you why so ever choose to live in - hence it more and more becomes like you are actually toxic and deserve to be on a blacklist, simply just because you dont know when to stop (in conversation as well as in manon hunting). If you were just peacefully hunting Manon so what, but this whole conversation here gives the impression that you are indeed finding joy and purpose in denying Manon to others.
Like someone said already, it seems to be a pretty weird hill to die on ...

On the bright side, this whole thing shows that there is actually no real problem with Manon imo since apart from very few people, for the big majority of people, it seems to work out well and almost everyone gets their things done peacefully (including myself, I never struggled much to find a Manon, despite it being eradicated some days but never for consecutive days of search).

 

if its so profitable as you say it is why are you not selling any of the books in your store?



I don't think people even buy those books at such high costs(at least I wouldn't) you can easily smega for those books and someone could give it to your for free. There is even a royals post giving away free mastery books
Open - G> 4th job mastery books (Joes' Library) | MapleRoyals
In the shop you are selling anego/ellin drops non of which is from manon.

 

Look, I not sure why you guys keep assuming I am here to disturb your HT quest or just finding joy to kill manon. You think I will keep finding joy doing something which I had repeated for 2 years? I am killing Manon to get the loots to sell. If you want manon, just make sure you hunt earlier than me. You found the manon, is yours, I found the manon, is mine. What's so difficult about this?

Let me just be clear again, I am hunting manon for mesos.

That is what I always do and I have never say no to anyone who asked for manon cry or kill.
I can assure you that if I did not do that, I would have ended in this blacklist long time ago

you can read this

 

Brooo, I am free to sell whatever I want and whenever I want. I said 30% is from manon. 70% can be from other stuffs that I hunted from other bosses or from gacha.

That's good and is nice that people are giving the books for free. But I am free to hunt and sell whatever I want. I have been in this skillbook business for 2 years, I know what is valuable and what is not valuable. Sure there will be people who are giving out for free, but not everyone can get it for free

 

Jesus this thread is getting toxic guys, please find somewhere else to discuss this issue.

 

Totally agree with this. I mean look at this, we are clearly steering away from the main topic and someone is even questioning me on what I am selling in my shop which is totally unrelated. I really don't see how we could further discuss this anymore as we both have different stance and no one is willing to budge. Unfortunately, I am pretty sure we had derived nothing fruitful from this discussion as well. You guys could keep accusing me for trying to kill manon for fun or trying to cause disruption. But I would also think that you guys are just lazy and want an easy way out to find manon and clear HT quest. Sounds familiar? Yeahh I have been repeating myself over and over again and I am tired of saying the same thing to rebut. So please just read my previous comment before giving out a more constructive feedback or replies. I had given so many constructive feedbacks and explanations on my action and some of you just love to cherrypicked some of the things I typed and took things out of context sometime.

Also, regarding about this. I am not sure where you get your statistic from. So far, while I am in game, I had no one finding or pm-ing me to complain about hunting manon. The only complaint which I am receiving is from the handful of you here. Conversely, I did receive a handful of pm and replies that I did nothing wrong and should continue to do what I am doing. So yeahh, I am not disrupting many people, just a few of you.

Anyway, since the conclusion is "I am not blacklisted", I guess I have no much left to say because I feel some of you are just trying to dig me to say something toxic for an opportunity to blacklist me. For this blacklist forum to serve the mapleroyal's community better, I will not be commenting about this issue anymore unless a more constructive feedback is given or at least a new thread is made for this. For now, I will continue to do what I have to do.

 

Blacklisting @gachaboi123 as I went Manon and Griffey hunting today for my HT potion and Hero’s Will quest.

To my shock, I found them both. I don’t think gachaboi is doing a very good job at hunting leafre bosses :/

Think we need a new representative manon hunter, @sids would never let this happen.

Edit:
In all seriousness, if someone is refusing to wait a reasonable amount of time (sub 10 minutes~?) for you to get the kill confirm, I feel that may be blacklistable anti-social behavior.

No community is entitled to a specific map. I recall years ago some mage farmer was arguing on the blacklist because he ksed a new player and his friend out of their map ownered Ulu1 map during a peak event time because he wanted to duo mage farm on it and “they didn’t deserve to use the map because they weren’t using it correctly.”

 

This is a "store scam"
If people get blacklisted over orbis etc why isnt ColdNL blacklisted yet

 

That's bundle scam, that's different.

Talking about putting single items for sale:
- The seller may decide any price he wants to

OTHERWISE Are you going to have established "market prices" for all items, and only allow up to 10% profit margin? Runescape has tried to do something similar in the past, it didn't really turn out too well. They switched back to free trade.

If someone wants to sell a 6 slot sock for 1b, that's their choice, they can do that. The buyer has to check the stats of the item he's buying, and not just assume that just because it's so expensive it must have so and so stats.

 

It's the same inherent concept as a bundle shop scam--deliberately preying on the inattention of other players to make an unfair profit. As you have said, the buyer has to check not only the stats but also the price of the item they're buying in any situation. But we nevertheless have agreed to blacklist players who engage in bundle shop scam because it's scummy behavior. The question is whether this specific type of action arises to the level of a bundle shop scam, in which an offender deserves to be placed on the Community Blacklist. However, defending this behavior by referring to "market prices" is disingenuous.

Arguably there is a gray area to all of this, but attempting to deceive others into purchasing an item with missing slots is completely different from choosing to upcharge an item for the hell of it.

 

while i completely agree with all that you wrote, you could argue this persons shop did not do that. Unlike bundle scam, ppl post a bunch of proper priced things and try to sneak in a more expensive one in there in the hopes that someone doesnt properly look and buys it at an overpriced amount. To say this person is "deceiving others into purchase an item with missing slots" is also questionable, and i say that because there is nothing else in his store that shows a "proper" same item with the same price, so its not like theyre LEADING people with a correct item, just to go around it and sprinkle in a wrong one, know what i mean? Now if hes out there sending smegas that its a "cheap clean sock" then by all means EFF that lol