Does Perfect Flame Sword + Perfect Shield outdamage Perfect Stonetooth for Hero

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    It's pretty strong, 1h axe is stronger than Claymore unless you use strong potions like apples/gelts + have strong gear of like 60+ atk if I remember correctly. There's also the Guardian bonus on top of that.
    1h Axe is also stronger than 2h axe and crushed skull
     
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    Does the same calculation apply for paladin as well? Which means stone tooth will always be better than crushed skull+shield
     
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    Paladin run into this issue with Blast where they hit dmg cap very quickly even with mid tier funding. Hitting dmg cap is very bad as youre losing dmg.

    Also, I hate BW as the range on it looks so poor and the multipler for BW is completely different than axe/sword. Axe was pretty bad till they buffed it in like 2019.

    Skull is just kinda funny. If you want to go skull by all means though. But multipler kinda funky and well scrolled skulls are hard to come by
     
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    This should answer all your Paladin weapon comparison questions:
    (Refer to the "with cap" part)
    TL ; DR: 2h sword is better
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    Source: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/uncapping-paladins-blast.200287/
     
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    the least
     
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    While the original answer has been solved and can be dumbed down to:

    Flame+shield > ST and clay; without si.
    Flame + shield ~ ST with si (up to stoppers)
    Flame + shield < St and Clay; + SI on apple and higher

    There is a simple equation to use to find how much more W.Atk the 1h weapon needs to equal the 2h damage.
    1h and 2h weapons use different formula's to find their damage range. Wich is also the reason why there is no easy answer to give.
    The only true statement to make is that 2h yields up to 10% more damage from STR, depending on DEX.
    However, the effectiveness of Guardian is very hard to quantify since it depends on both luck and skill (10% luck, 20% skill....)

    Simplified average damage ranges:
    1h = (3.080*STR+DEX)*Atk/100
    2h = (3.388*STR+DEX)*Atk/100

    There is some value (c) that a 1h weapon needs to equal some 2h weapon's dps (for each warior, in a vaccum, vs a 0 w.def target, disregarding Attack Speed and Echo)

    c = (0.308*STR*ATK)/(3.080*STR+DEX)

    Maths
    (A+c)(3.080S+D)=A(3.388S+D)
    c(3.080S+D)=0.308SA
    c=0.308SA/(3.080S+D)

    If you'd plug the numbers of some warrior

    1200 STR
    120 DEX
    310 total watk (150 clay, 60 cgs, 100 apple)

    you find:
    c = ~30

    That means you need another 30 watk to equal the claymore with a 1h weapon. A perfect Flame Sword with perfect Maple Shield has 165 total atk but also +28 STR and +8 DEX.
    Leaving you 15 Atk Short before accounting for the additional stats

    Using the same warrior and a formula from my maths guide we can find the w.atk value (n) of these stats:

    n=(Atk/2)((4S+ac)/(4STR+DEX)+(2.16S+ac)/(2.16STR+DEX))

    n=((325/2)(4*28+8)/(4*1200+120)+(2.16*28+8)/(2.16*1200+120))
    n=3.989

    rounding up to n=4. The Perfect Flame Sword has 19 more effective W.Atk than the Claymore. Wich is still 11 W.Atk short to equal the damage of the Claymore. (c=30)

    This also means that for this warrior, there is an exact Total W.Atk value to be found when using a Claymore, wich a Perfect Flame Sword can never beat.

    A Flame Sword + Shield yields 15 more atk, 28 more STR and 8 more DEX.

    325(1228*3.080+128)=A(1200*3.388+120)
    A=294

    294=(a+160)
    a=134

    This specific warrior, using a Claymore with 134 Atk will always out-dps a perfect Flame Sword + Shield. (in a vaccum, vs a 0 def target, disregarding Attack Speed and Echo)
     
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    I thought this was the correct atk multiplier formula.

    Around 50cgs/Perf wep tier status you out dps 1h on same atk speed on heartstopper

    So even if youre around 35-40cgs with a 4-6b weapon, once you’re on apple, you’ll out dps same attack speed 1h.

    This does not account for Guardian
     

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