tldr - balanced fury are not worth making because of the crimson arclancer. Balanced Fury - 5 taos of each + 150m + 100 black crystals + 30 typhoon feathers Crimson Arclancer - 1 tao of sight and 1 tao of shadows, 70 typhoon feathers , 300 crimson firewood, 4 dex crystals, 10 hearts, 1 optional stimulator Because of the high price of the Crimson Arclancer, it feels (to me, maybe I'm wrong about it) like if someone already got 5 taos of each, he is better off making 5 crimson arclancer, it is likely that he gets at least 1 godly, after selling that one godly he can buy 4 BFs or 2 MTKs. The reason the Crimson Arclancer will forever outshine the BF is because the Crimson Arclancer is the best weapon for bowman class (it requires 25 dex less than the DSB and it gives base dex, so in total a perfect Crimson Arclancer can be +33 dex to the bowman in comparison to the DSB which is quite a lot), and for the price of the BF you can essentially make 5 bows. Breaking down the requirements of each item, it seems that the bottleneck would be at some point in the future the taos, since taos cannot be farmed, they are a function of cwkpq runs which are limited to 2 per day for a character, or lucky exchange quests, while the rest of the items can be farmed or quite easily purchased in FM from other farmers. An individual with 5 taos of each and 250m (150m for fiona 100m for buying the black crystals) is better off spending the 250m on 20 dex crystals, and make the bows. How to balance it? Options 1: reduce the cost of BF, instead 5 of each, make it 1 of each tao, reduce the 150m or substitute it with some other ore farming (such as Dark Crystals which would be the counter part of the dex crystals required for the CA) Option 2: change the requirement for BF to be 5 taos of harmony, this solution will both balance the price of tao of harmony compared to other taos (that are rather useless at the moment) and will not make the item requirements collide (The reason I compared those 2 items in the first place is the tao requirements). Option 3: Make BF's item requirement 10 instead of 70 and make the recharge cost lowest from all stars, while at the same time make recharging MTK and Royal knives expensive to recharge, so recharging 1 Royal stars would cost say 2m, and recharging BF would cost say 100k, people would use the strong stars same way they use apples (only on strong bosses that they fight for long times) and for lower hp bosses or fighting other things the BF would be the best option, on top of that, the low level requirement would make it optional for people who wanna enjoy low level content and leveling up without washing.
as someone who has craft over 300 arclancers... No... farming those 300 crimson woods drain the life out of you and take a considerable amount of time more than farming feathers, you can get 30 feathers in 20min no problem if farming with mage. Also, crafting arclancers is a gamble, if you craft one below 100att you barely cover the cost of materials not to mention you can actually get nothing if using stims resulting in you wasting 2-3hours of your time and 60-70m ~ mesos
Base godly chance is 1/20, so when crafting 5 there's under a 25% chance you get a godly (22.6%), and even if you do hit the godly roll there's still a good chance that the stats are still bad. I would not agree with the statement that getting a godly is likely It's not, the amount of farming needed for the black crystals and crimson wood tend to far outstrip getting taos. Yes they're technically farmable but not at good rates and you'd have to spend many many hours a day farming just those to keep up with taos. Don't forget that farming also has a cost - your time is valuable. There are more taos in FM than crimson wood, by a significant margin. Also, bf probably sell faster than bows due to higher demand.
“for the price of the BF you can essentially make 5 bows.” 1500 crimson woods 350 typhoon feathers Crimson Wood alone is scarce so people try to often overprice this to like 400-500k. Priced at 450k this is 675m worth of wood. “the bottleneck would be at some point in the future the taos, since taos cannot be farmed, they are a function of cwkpq runs which are limited to 2 per day for a character” CWK is run so much everyday, every year taos drop slightly more and more When CWK came out shadow used to be worth 300m, now its probably 50m at most? If you think this is the scenario, use it to your advantage and keep forging Arclancers and sell them for better profits and just buy the BFs.
Thank you for proving my point. An item that is kinda easy to farm (yesterday I farmed all the 300 in about 45 minutes- I was solo farming surfing channels each channel I had 4 woods in lower ascent and 5 more woods in the upper ascent drop rate is decent), is selling for 500k each (if they do sell for that price it means that I farmed 150m in 45 minutes), and that's one of the ingredients of that bow, so if someone is willing to pay 675m FOR ONE OF THE INGREDIENTS OF THE BOW WHICH HE CAN FARM IN 45 MINUTES how much would an individual pay for the ingredient which he cannot farm, but is still required for that precious bow? and this exactly is why the BF is in such a weird state the ingredients for BF overlap with the ingredients of crimsonwood arclancer which is worth much more than the BF. You can also see how inflated the dex crystal prices are right now, and all of these inflated prices will also reach the taos, however, I might be wrong. I don't have the data of how many players are doing cwkpq daily, and the drop rate of taos from there so I can't guarantee that the bottleneck is going to be the taos. Nevertheless, someone with 5 taos of each would probably be better gambling on one or 2 CA above average and using that profit to buy bfs than crafting 1 bf.
Roughly 20-25m for taos of shadow, and 5m for the other tao. This is 12, almost 13 hours of farming crimsonwood at your rate to deplete what's currently in FM. And if you farm that much, well, I'm sure you can find people who run daily CWK and have a massive supply of extras they just don't bother to put in store.
You have total of 17 of this specific tao in the market, this is enough for 3 BF or 17 bows. I'll remind you, you can't get it elsewhere of FM or CWKPQ. This is the state of dex crystal absolutely inflated prices, the reason it is so high is because of that bow, but... there is supply because it's something bishops can farm at ulu2 for example with excess. I'm not checking typhoon feathers or crimson firewood because you can farm them in a matter of 2~3 hours (so 3 hours of leech is around 140m? fine.... the rest -typhoon feathers and crimsonwood and 10 hearts is 3 hours leech cost guaranteed). Imagine this scenario. A player possesses now 10 taos of each, he has the option to pay 500m (bcs + 300m) and get 2 BFs, or he can farm ingredients for 3 hours and with 40m he can gamble on a bow. The inflated prices of bow ingredients PROVE that the player would gamble on the bow, and therefore BFs will go extinct at some point soon. I wanna state something here about the post, I don't mind BF going extinct, there are many throwing stars like mokbi or the one that looks like a black snowflake, I don't even remember its name and probably cilbi that are outshined by the better throwing star, but those stars are not a struggle to make. I think that if you have a throwing star that is somewhat pain to make, at least give it some property to make it worth making. At the current state it's not really worth making - it's market price isn't that much higher and soon will be even lower that its ingredients, that will get further inflated soon (the taos) because of the bow.
This post is now about arclancers apparently... which for how long it takes to make them and the materials needed the prices arent high enough imo, like i said most of the time you break even , most ppl farming them are farming them for themselves since supply is too low. Do you even know the price of clean arclancers? meanwhile you can either buy a BF for 500m or go farm feathers 20min, make them yourself, and save 100m in the process (cuz BF materials are like 400m total) But be my guest, go make arclancers and see it for yourself what makes more sense financially.
No... it's not about arclancers, it's about the fact that for almost the same set of ingredients you can get the more valuable bow or the less valuable throwing knives, it puts the throwing knives in a weird position where it's not really worth making, it's not the top tier stars and it costs quite a lot to make, the reason for the high price is the alternative - those ingredients are used for the more expensive bow. I guess I'm alone with those thoughts, you can close the thread. RIP fury.
Actually, Kanzir crafting is the bigger contributor to the insane DEX ore inflation. Although the ore has some farming spots, from what I can tell the drop rate is complete shit at all of them (at least the ones with reasonable map layouts).
Yeah of course, a 110 PERFECT kanzir that cost 16b is obviously the reason the dex crystal price inflation and not the bow that its semi perfect cost 3 times of that, that's also the reason dragon scale and the other ingredients had a sharp rise in its price too. In times when taos become scarce because that resource is not farmable I can't see people spending 5x of each to make 3rd tier stars and not crafting the 1st tier bow that does not drop anywhere, not on gachapon, not on bosses and can only be acquired using those materials. But sure I'll admit I'm wrong, I didn't make this thread to argue with people. I'll agree to disagree and please admin close my thread.
a perfect arclancer is probably worth more than a perfect kanzir, still not the reason why dex crystals going up
Of course, not only that, to make a kanzir you need 5 power crystal that always and still cost 2.5m each. But it's fine I see that I only get bad engagements here in the thread. I didn't create it to argue with people. Just close it please.
I wish I can get my first godly when I make my 4th crimson arclancer But 3 of 4 are gray with 98 97 96 wa best one is 102 wa And I don't feel these worth more than a single balanced fury
Sorry for your loss. Funny thing about feelings and probabilities, a guy can go with 35 gachapon tickets to mushroom shrine and get all def scrolls and he will "feel" like it's better to spend his NX on AP resets, another guy can go with 35 gachapon tickets to the same gachapon and get 3 chaos scrolls and he will feel like gacha in shrine is better than AP resets. They can do the exact same thing, have completely different experience and feel differently about doing it. Same goes with throwing chaos scrolls on items, some people will say "it's better to buy them" others will say "yolo". It looks like some kind of personal disappointments and biases are skewing off the topic of this thread. The CA bow is the best weapon for archer that can only be achieved in NLC, no boss, no gachapon, this causes its ingredients to have inflated values, some of its ingredients are used to make the BF.
