Community Blacklist

You don't know if they were investigated only because they posted a blacklist report tho O.O

Do you think that the GMs wake up one day and go to random.org and throw a random number and then decides to investigate a certain someone because of it?

I doubt they are that bored to randomly start investigating people.

Since I already know your full opinion on that matter (as a guildie), I'll conclude my comment at that.

 

Someone got wronged, but that someone happens to be a alleged ban evader. At the end of the day they still got wronged even if they were a ban evader. I don't even know Briefing at all, i just have had my fair share of people skipping splits and nothing ever happens to them. And when they try to say something to anyone, they get this shit lmao

 

While its clear your statement was in response to how the discussion went down, Ill give the benefit of the doubt that you did not mean there was anything wrong with how the discussion was conducted and that saying "this level of involvement" was not in reference to anything here. Im not saying you handle actual harrassment reports differently, but I am saying that you were not putting out statements like this when people were dunking on saledor quite recently (whether deserved or not is up to the individual), resurfacing past drama seems be a level of "involvement" that is unnecessary.

All to say, while doubtful that you were not suggesting the discussion was out of hand, as long as youre saying its just a general warning then thats fine by me

 

"There are no bad tactics, only bad targets" is unfortunately a prevalent belief

 

I mean, I'm glad the GM's are enforcing ban evasion rules cause they are good for the community. What i am not too keen on is that all the sudden the issue of the missing split just magically goes away. Like, at the end of the day someone got a unfair advantage which seems to be a theme in enforcing the rules here, so why do they get to go free without anything?

 

I think because its a grey area here if I were to separate my (and honesrly the majority opinion here). It depends if you think the buyer is responsible for ensuring everyone gets paid.

Some people seem to think its the party leaders responsibility (idk why) but it seems most people think the buyer owes every seller x meso and it doesnt matter if they accidently give the other sellers more money due to a misunderstanding. Regardless, pepe believes he only owes 7m and offered to give it so until you solve the underlying premise, theres no resolution.

In the case of people straight up not paying splits i have no clue, never heard of that

 

It does not matter who's fault it is at this point. There is a amount of mesos that don't belong to them in their possession (even if its miniscule) and they refused to take action on it. My whole problem is the whole "Oh look Briefing is randomly perma'd problem solved, let the split stealers just go about their day" kind of verbiage i read earlier which I feel is crazy.

 

Hello!

I do not know briefing or pepe9191x and do not give my opinions at all, but this one seems very one-sided in the wrong direction.

The screenshots should have been in the correct format (not cropped), but pepe9191x’s testimony has been inconsistent with excuses on multiple details of his story, while being rude and difficult. By his own admittance he has not worked towards an actual solution in good faith, and the screenshots support this. It is like telling a jury the evidence presented was not permissible and scratching it from the record (screenshots not in the correct format) when what we all just saw was damning. Even if he was not contacted on discord due to mistake, the notion at this point that he was unreachable is at this point unbelievable. He received the book and owed fair value to ALL the participants. He, at best, unjustly enriched the other participants on accident, or at worst, intentionally neglected briefing. The value owed does not mitigate his responsibility to pay all the members as expected, and he cannot deflect that by blaming the party leader as he was the buyer. Most of the community has always been on the same page regarding this.

The community supported briefing’s claims based on the criteria in tandem with pepe9191x’s responses. It is unusual that the result of this is that briefing is banned for ban evasion, when his original intent was to bring awareness to the community of a potential bad actor. To be clear, briefing should absolutely be banned for breaking the rules, as should anyone else who does so. Biases occur based on a prior relationship. If it so turns out pepe9191x’s relationships with the minority supporters were targeting briefing, a suspicion of conflict of interest and imbalance of power will naturally make members question and lose faith.

Briefing should be banned. Conflicts of interests should be questioned. Pepe9191x was wrong.

 

Disclaimer: I know none of these people.

I might be missing something but how is everyone blaming mostly the buyer for not splitting properly? I haven't seen any proper screenshots, just he said she said and for all we know the buyer joined party after the bishop, party leader said to give attackers 40m each and buyer did. Not saying that's the case but there are a lot of blame and insults being thrown around without any concrete evidence.
Also nitpicking over inconsistencies like 200m vs 215m like some people do is useless and just distracts from the actual discussion which is why Briefing did not get any split and who is responsible. Seems to me it's not clear who is so I can also understand the buyer being unwilling to compensate 33m.

 

Only two people who can check indepth logs, Tim and Matt. Matt probably doesn’t unless it’s an emergency as he has many other things to do than look at vote abuse/ban evasion related reports.

There’s almost a zero chance Tim cares to look up people via the blacklist, he probably has an insane backlog as it is, as he’s the only one who can look at the logs (maybe Becca can but hard maybe).

Someone probably reported him manually and Tim finally got around to that report.

Tim probably did a manual background check regardless of what the report was and a banned account probably got flagged on that same IP.

 

This will be my final post about this situation, but in the TOC it says, "Scamming - The act of intentionally defrauding others during in-game transactions to gain any sort of advantage over other players".
One could easily just recruit a public run, accidentally leave someone out and easily say "Woops, totally forgot but it's not my fault, it's theirs, I'm not gunna do shit about it." and then gain an unfair advantage and they will still be within the rules. Or if someone is even more malicious comes around, they can gather their buddies and get 1 random and "accidentally/unknowingly" forget to give their split and do the "well, idk but it's not my fault" they will still get away with it because who in that group is going to snitch besides that 1 random. One unfairly loses their share while the other unfairly gains and it is not healthy for the game.

 

I'm not here for that long to compare or anything, but the addition of heidi & foxy was fantastic, and they're been acting really well as interns.
Ban appeals are not left unanswered, and even getting answers in a pretty quick manner.
Kudos to both Heidi and Foxy and to the staff as a whole.
Thanks for clearing up many speculations, I think now we can safely return to reporting people who accidently took an apple on APQ.

 

That's very reassuring to hear. Thank you Tim.

 

1. IGN: FrappeOrMe / MyEyesOnYou
2. REASON: Attempting to Price fix / Scam
3. DETAILS: For context, I don't really care to get them on the "Blacklist," this is more for visibility so that other players don't let this happen to them.

I smega'd B> a 6+ DEX Spectrum Goggles, and MyEyesOnYou messaged me 1.2b for their 6 dex 2 str goggles. I then went to Owl to see if there is any other prices to evaluate this one, which is where I found a Spectrum Goggles for sale with the same stats selling for 1.1b

I then went to make an offer and told them that 1.2b is too high if someone is selling the exact same stat for 1.1b, but then they said "I think its sold, didn't find the specs as you mentioned"

I went to FrappeOrMe's shop to go look for the Specs, but they were not sold, simply taken out of the merchant. I then noticed that FrappeOrMe and MyEyesOnYou were in the same guild, Pokka, so I already figured out that this person tried to manipulate prices for their specs in a scummy way.

Lying and saying the specs have sold to try entice a sale is quite scummy, and I did not want to deal anymore. I called them out for it in whispers, so they tried to downplay their manipulation after, but I wasn't dealing with any of it lol. hopefully this post will make sure they don't try this type of stuff again. Again, not sure if this warrants an addition to the blacklist, but I'd want other community members to avoid this person and type of behavior since I'm sure I wasn't the first person they had tried this on.

 

That seems pretty sus indeed. I wonder if they offered to give you another smega for a reason

 

Yeah lol, after that they kept messaging me so I blacklist them on my character, but they kept going to my CC to confront me about it. Don't really know how this thread works but just want people to be aware

 

You are welcome to post anything from the confrontation if you have something. I wonder what they confronted you about. Not like you did anything wrong lol

 

Could u clarify what the criteria of adding ppl to loot stealing are? I made a similar report but there was no feedback from OP.

 

I don't always respond if other people responded instead. It's a community blacklist, not my personal list so to speak, so I don't always find it necessary. The criteria is simply evidence. In your case, it seemed like the guy was sorry for it and didn't realize he messed up. I suppose if you want to go ahead and have him added because he didn't pay 10m for the head, then we could have a look at it again.