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Discussion in 'Community' started by Shiratsuyu, Jul 9, 2020.

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    We IP ban of course, but unfortunately most homes internet connections now days get dynamic IP addresses rather than static IP addresses. This means that the ISP will periodically allocate them a new IP address. Most people can also get a new IP address allocated simply by rebooting their router (a technique we often recommend to innocent people who were randomly allocated an IP address that somebody else had previously been banned on).

    We have our methods of catching out ban evaders, including FakeMage, but it's a frustrating and ongoing cat and mouse game, hence my warning that we really need the community to be a lot more vigilant.
     
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    I think that one feedback about making APRs be available in stacks of 10/100 might make more and more sense.

    I know telling people to not drop trade is something we all 'consciously know' we should do, but when it comes to the 1 minute per 9 you might need 20 times for the 180 APRs you might be buying. That's a solid 15-20 minutes of time "wasted" doing a tedious task.

    Yes good intentions are always nice, but I think looking into why people want to drop trade in the first is a good thought as well.
     
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    We know it's a pain.

    Apparently it's not easy to fix though, as client side, the cash shop inventory is coded differently to the other inventories.

    It is all very frustrating.
     
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    Thank you Heidi for letting us know. You don’t have to so I appreciate you for letting us know :classy:
     
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    By no means was that a blame at staff, they know a lot more than I possibly could about the inner workings of the game and it's code and I know things aren't a simple lift.

    My point was more instead of blaming people, blame the problem and try to solve the problem. It's not an easy one to solve of course as you shared :(

    But falling for a scam doesn't make someone a bad person, and yes you could do things better, and it doesn't give permission to scam because you can get away with it.


    That said, maybe a new item like a B coin, that let's people trade it to an NPC that can be traded back for APRs? No clue how easy that might be....
     
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    Couldnt we add in a middle man currency similar to how we did with B coins to combat the need to drop aprs? Like say Person A wants to sell aprs. They buy 100 from the cash shop and take those to an npc and exchange the apr for a 100 coins/rocks/gems w/e currency that can only be bought with aprs. They can only be traded to another player or exchanged back to the npc and cannot be dropped or sold in a shop. Player b buys the 100 coins/rocks/gems with meso or B coins from Player A. Player A got their money they go off to live happily ever after not getting scammed. Player B goes to the same npc and exchanges those 100 coins/rocks/gems for aprs. Player B gets 100 aprs. No drop trading, no risk of scam.

    Unless you want aprs to be hard to transfer because they're super common rwt'd items and you wanna be able to keep track of them easier. I may be overly simplifying a more complicated issue than I think it is. But i cant help but feel like there's gotta be something simple to solve the issue here
     
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    To be clear, we want to solve this problem too. It's so incredibly frustrating having to tell people to be careful, as it feels like victim blaming. But short of making APRs untradeable, it really feels like there's nothing we can do other than beg people to be careful.

    That said, we will try and think about bit to see if we can come up with a creative workaround that would make APR trading via trade window more efficient. No promises, but its something I'll be pushing for it its at all possible.

    In the mean time, I'd at the very least avoid drop trading with anybody who cannot show a high level character. Today he was on a level 19 character that he created 2 days ago, and he had no other characters. I give this advice because I don't want to see anymore victims, and im just completely at a loss on how else to stop this horrible person. We will do everything we can to detect and thwart his ban evasion attempts before he can even get off maple island, but we can't check 24/7, and he could still manage to slip past us. It. Is. FRUSTRATING!!!!
     
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    Yep, I've been enquiring on if something like this would get around the problem. I don't know if it would work (I don't know enough about how it works) its possible that anything that comes out of the cash shop is just inherently different from normal items, and might or might not be able to be traded into an NPC.

    It might be good if somebody starts a feedback thread for brainstorming and thoughts.

    As far as I know, slowing down RWT is not a motivation for keeping this limitation. Given that the RWTers can just drop trade the APRs anyway, there would be no logical way that this limitation helps thwart RWT.
     
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    dude should just play a different game @_@
     
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    It's not really related to the blacklist tbh but I just wanna show appreciation to @Heidi for these comments and information.

    Kudos to you, ma'am.

    Pls accept this pepe of appreciation - :pepeboba:
     
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    Maybe he played GMS and just enjoyed scamming that much in GMS (nostalgia). Hopefully this little irritating gnat moves on to another place where the consequences of luck testing this type of activity (scamming people) is a bit higher than "oops try again".
     
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    I would like to compile a sticky of a list of known scams. I see this with travelers around the world, common scams: i.e. the shoe-shine scam in a few countries, etc. So in Maple type games, you could have a sticky of current known scams somewhere: i.e. Do not drop trade with someone unless they can can demonstrate job 4 character (red flag). If scamming is persistent in Royals, this would be something to look into. I would enjoy it, I'm sure others would too.

    On the other hand...
    One would assume that no one scams, because if they do, they're completely bjorked. But if that's simply not the case due to this guy's depraved psychology, if the persistence extends, then it is not the case anymore. I think that's probably the information being intimated by the scammer: you're weird if you believe someone in the game, which has this invincible reputation against bad-actors, would possibly allow for this scamming, so why would you inconvenience us? Maybe the issue is just the awareness that while scams are almost impossible to happen, because of a depraved certain set of interests, it is still possible, even in Royals. That's possibly why this pattern is so effective. Maybe that's all that's needed to be known by everyone, rather than a compiled list of scams.
     
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    Third and final message: ip address bans, tracking the same person to make a ban on a person, is quite effective, given the goal of the person being building up "wealth" in MapleRoyals: given enough time, they will get caught. It's not effective, if a person gets a kick out of scamming rather than this other goal: not enough time could pass.
     
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    A bit more investigation by us and putting jigsaw pieces together actually revealed that this guy has literally been at it for a decade (and has been banned many, many, many, many times by frustrated staff members for his absolutely incessant scamming and other toxic behaviour). He used to scam on Aulz (those who have been here for awhile might remember him then...), and on other characters even before that. I really have no hope that he's going to stop any time soon, because he has just enjoyed doing this for so long, and it seems to be the main thing he ban evades to do. It makes me absolutely sick that this individual appears to get such a kick out of doing this harm to our wonderful community. He probably does this stuff in other communities too, and so we can only hope that he also does it somewhere that could ultimately land him in a jail cell for fraud or something (as, aside from somebody smashing his computer to bits, I'm not sure what else would stop him from coming back here, other than him ending up in a jail cell). I have no shame in speaking about him like this, because there is just no good reason for him to be persistently coming back here to upset people who just want to enjoy the nostalgia of their favorite mushroom game. There is just absolutely no excuse, ever, for this kind of behaviour, and I'd honestly be amazed if he is actually contributing anything of value anywhere that he goes.

    I emphasize again that you all have to be really careful, as some people are just completely crazy, and I'm sorry that it probably feels like we're victim blaming you all :(

    With regards to a list of known scams, and a guide to avoid getting scammed, this would probably be best done by the player base rather than staff (but we can help with the brainstorming of course!). Please also feel free to make a feedback thread if you have any other ideas on how to deal with this kind of stuff, or have other thoughts about how scamming is delt with, that you wish to share.
     
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    > So what do you do in your free time?
    > Oh I swindle people in a private Maple server.
    > Oh how long?
    > The last ten years.
    > Oh wow that's pretty neat. Wanna hang out?
     
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    Guess he's playing a whole different game from the rest of the community?
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    i said hello cake boss if he remembered it doesnt seem like he did lol
     
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    1. IGN: iviapleryan
    2. REASON: leaving apq after 1st round
    3. DETAILS: hit my boxes. told him to google elie map apq, didn't respond, just said im good thanks and left.


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    Alright, added.
     
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