so why not just answer this question that you all keep avoiding. so where is the evidence showing that I was directly involved in rule breaking? Did i RWT or something?
We do not show evidence as I stated before. We believe you RWT’d to obtain part of your wealth. There has yet to be an explanation that matches our logs to show how you built up your wealth in a short period of time while affording your purchases.
You believe player A RWT'd, but unban them because there's no real evidence You believe player B RWT'd, but keep them banned when there's no real evidence. Please explain to me how these situations are different? Again, If there was real evidence, why do we have an open thread? Show or don't show the "evidence", you would be confident enough to simply close the thread as opposed to allowing me to appeal if there was an actual smoking gun. RWT bans are often quick and closed after Tim reveals evidence (Shows or states that the person bought/sold items from an RWT'er.) That has not happened in my appeal because that did not happen. Another player's numbers did not "add up", they did not explain it, and they were unbanned. Speaking not just for my case, I fail to understand how this is not used as precedent for future bans. Tim himself states that he strives to be: less trigger happy on bans on these kinds of investigations as the players should be treated as innocent if we're not 100% sure on some evidence. More time and resources should be spend on the investigation without banning the player, faster conclusions in handling such appeals, involving multiple staff members for accountability so not just the staff member responsible for banning the player would feel responsible Is there no idea of precedent with decisions made in previous ban appeals? If not, what's the point of these statements by Tim? A ban appeal that's gone on for this long doesn't seem like a "100% sure" thing to me.
you're overly familiar with real world trade as mentioned earlier here https://royals.ms/forum/threads/ban-appeal.245586/#post-1541317 and have meso / cs / ws income unaccounted for Let us know if we overlooked something regarding that income or we will have to put one and two together
No, that's not how it works. Sometimes, there is indisputable evidence. Those cases are the ones we shut down pretty quickly In others, like yours, stuff does not add up, and there is unusual activity and/or transactions that almost always mean RWT, but that might have an innocent explanation (rarely). In those cases, we ask the questions we need to, in order to find out if there is an innocent explanation. These help direct the investigation, because Tim does not have time to go through absolutely everything. Usually that is a quick process. In other times, where the answers are not addressing our concerns, it takes a lot longer. This is how it has always worked here, and how it will continue to work, because it is impossible to conclusively determine these things without questioning. Either you would have to not allow appeals ( = innocent people remain banned), or you would have to give the benefit of the doubt in a lot of cases ( = the economy gets ruined from RWT and nobody wants to play here anymore).
By mesos declaration, are you referring to that thing you sent us in December, outlining your progress and wealth at that point?
dear tim, this is a conversation about maplesea, so what is the problem being knowledgeable? i am familiar with a lot of things tho, but the problem is i didn't do this in ROYALS. I am playing mapleroyal not maplesea, hope you can understand this statement. What you might be overlooked 1. If you are just looking merely on the chat/appeal logs, this is just a reference for my mesos farming daily, it can be high or low based on the effort, i spend a lot of time farming and i can't give an exact hours because i on and off farming due to my work/daily schedule too. 2. The farming mesos/h i mention is purely mesos, not included blue equips and earnings from event on multiple chars. If you are not familiar with how much blue equip drops can earned, you can check with all the farmers. Of course the blue equip earning its very subjective because its depends on the equip stats and also earning from events. You cant just use simple maths to calculate the wealth, but if you insist, i have no choices. 3. Also like Bacon said "we do not show evidence for a myriad of reasons". with his statement, how do you expect to proceed on this appeal? Do not show evidence or did not have any evidence? 4. Unaccounted income? if i am banned due to BELIEVE and FEELINGS, I can't prove any further because that's how i progress my account. You all are still keep avoiding answering about RWT evidence. Of course you couldn't show any evidence because i did not RWT. 5. If i did not RWT and have unaccounted income, so whats might be? system glitch that make me rich or something? or you missed out something on your log? I can't give any prove further either, thats based on your skills or might be you dont have sufficient logs to track player wealth and ban me because of feeling and believes. Of course, all the mesos i earn by myself. Once again, i have no receive any mesos/valuables from any player, all the mesos i farmed by myself, i already provided all the details that i can recall in this appeal and mesos declaration, its already 5 months.
You mean the trade that you initially did not mention, and then added a bit later? How many cs/ws did you buy from that person, and for how much each?
Hi @Heidi yes i understand that RWT will ruining the game, problem is i do not RWT and still got banned. Also, I've been careful and do whatever GM "recommend" to do so as a NEW player, records all those stuff and whatever. Unless if you think a dumbass RWTer will volunteer to declare his own earning and also create mages to farm that take a lot of time and effort. If that's what you all think, then i really have no words. Do you think a ban based on feeling, believes, banning innocent player will ruining the game?
just saying 'I didnt do it in THIS game, only the other one' doesn't hold up in combination with the suspicious activity regarding your white and chaos scroll amount / income. It shows us character of a person. We're not looking at just chat and appeal logs, we looked at all our logged resources at the time to come to that conclusion. I'm not sure why you think I'm unaware of how ulu farming mesos works as my partner does that activity daily. You're not banned based on feelings, believes, vibes or whatever you want to call it. It's a ban for suspicious activity regarding rwt that you haven't been able to clear up with us. What we noticed is that you had an unexplained influx of wealth early on (before december 8th) to propel yourself forward. After that you continued to mage farm hoping it would cover your total wealth perspective.
The answer to my question is not there. I would like you to tell me who you bought below market price scrolls from, how many of them you bought, and for how much.
With the amount of ridiculous reply, no common sense, poor investigation and incompetency of yours, publicize personal conversation that is not relevant, trying very hard to ban me with ALOT of reasons to save your faces, obviously its a hatred ban by admin and i can't do anything for this. I can't prove any further with how i can earn so much while im farming in-game without receiving any funds and yet you are STILL AVOIDING THE RWT question. If that's how you guys do things, i would respectfully accept, i don't expect a good service from a private server. To Matt as the founder of Mapleroyals: Just bit of advices, take it or leave it. i liked MapleRoyals very much until i got banned for "suspicious" & without evidence. I've really bad experience in these appeal that your appointed admin handle appeal very terrible, investigation is not as per rules and regulation, reply are contradicted with each other, poor investigation. Just one sample, why do admin keep asking about items below 5b? its clearly stated in rules that we only need to DD/record items above 5b items. Hope you can review how you guys handle RWT ban appeal, review your rules and regulation and especially review your appointed admin qualities Thanks Dave for recommend me writing a mesos declaration that doesn't really helps Thanks Bacon that doesn't know how to download files and trying to ask innocent player not to being snarky after being banned for monthssss Thanks Tim for trying very hard to mock me as RWTer in 100 ways, with lots of funny reply. Dont be sad that you can't find any evidence on me for 5months, i like your ego Thanks Heidi being helpful Thanks Becca for having to deal with these great working partners Thanks Foxy that you pay me a visit while im farming, you liked my animals kingdom names you're the best Thanks Matt for having them ^ Thanks Sylafia for the updated item price Google sheet, please share it to Tim so that he know blue equip is pricy. Thanks everyone who supported and believe me. Appreciate for your cares. Hope you can still enjoy mapleroyals after looking at this appeal, remember to log everything, every moment, cares about admin feelings and believes to avoid ban like mine. Enjoy this log-story Good luck to all the farmers out there. People hates farmer get rich easily but they didn't try and bark a lots, respect you all. Surprisingly admins too. Dont get banned Anyway, i gave up on this appeal and you can proceed to close the thread. Good bye everyone, no more popcorn for you [Suspicious] How much of "donation" had received by admins to ban zodlac Ahhh, shouldn't spend "donation" on a private server >__<''' wasted. No need to refund, thats for tims investigation fees
I have done my part in recommending you to log your earnings But I didn't expect you to do it partially As per my original response - GMs have the right to ask the stuff you did not state in your declaration
