Kill Stealing: Unforgivable or Nostalgic?

Let's discuss kill stealing.

The player base has grown over time. One can only hope that it will continue to grow. Maplestory had a much larger player base, and was capped at 20 channels. I'd presume we would cap at 20 channels as well. If MapleRoyals continues to grow, we will eventually have a situation in which certain maps are constantly full, and the matter of kill stealing will surface. So I figure, why not hash it out now?

I don't remember it as being a bannable offense back in Maplestory. I just remember it as being slightly annoying. But I also remember enjoying it a bit, and sometimes even just having to share a map with someone who I wasn't even partied with.

Did I kill steal? No. I'm a bit over-obsessed with staying out of peoples' ways. But I feel that certain people should be allowed to assert their dominance and feel in control when they need to.

So... Here are my arguments:

1. It's an incredibly easy way to solve the problem of saturated channels. The GMs don't have to be bothered. We settle the problem ourselves like we're on the playground. Perhaps someone takes the high road and leaves. Said person is now allowed to complain to everyone and get a pat on the back from their friends. Asshole is now allowed to train at the map he wanted to, at the risk of soiling his name to the community. But that's his choice, and who is to say it's wrong. There's going to be assholes.

2. It's nostalgic. It was literally part of the old game we used to love. I miss being KSed, to be honest.

3. It's a fun way to compete. It was great when someone would show up and try to KS the map away from you, and you'd fight back, and be all like "AW HELL NAW, MANG!" F5, and show him who's boss.

4. Do we really need to be whining to the GMs about someone being a bit rude in the way that they play?

5. It allows someone to be the white knight and come and KS the KSer in order to save their low leveled friend.

The main point that I'd like to make is that it will eventually be unavoidable. It will begin happening all over the place, simply out of necessity, and the GMs will be forced to consult about it, and decide whether or not they want to deal with 1000 complaints about KSing, or just let the player base sort it out themselves. And even if some maps like lower level maps like GS2 and WS eventually get taken up by 4th job mages leeching low levels, how is that tragic at all? All that does is force lower levels to move to different maps and make a slight bit less experience per hour. God forbid you use other maps like you used to have to do in Maplestory. It just all seems a little silly to me, to have to bother the GMs with something so basic.

But these are all just my thoughts
All this is all just meant to just spark a conversation
And I did not check to see if there was already a thread on this
And I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way by posting this thread
And I realize that it is currently, technically, against the rules to KS someone
I'm just suggesting we open our minds and discuss it
Amendments can always be made
And sometimes have to be made
If all you do is follow the rules of the establishment like sheep, nothing ever changes
Don't be robots!
lols. im done


tldr: Discuss about kill stealing.

 

This needs a tldr tbh;

Anyway yes, KS is nostalgic, not in a good way tho. I don't remember it as being slightly annoying, i remember it as being annoying as fuck and forcing me to surf channels/moving to another location.

 

I enjoyed KS battles back in the day.
They sparked a lot of guild rivalry and tensions that actually made me want to log on and compete.

BF and Anego battles were legendary dude.

Spoiler

As epic as KS battles were, a lot of drama came with it. I doubt the Royals community would be up for that

 

I really don't mind KSing in a really old server with 3rd job only, but with bishops etc it's not even a ''fair'' challenge so no. If this were to be a 3rd job only server, I would have liked the old concept. But here nah, doesn't work.

 

Fresh idea I haven't really mulled over, but the rule could be amended to state that players within 10 levels of you are allowed to KS you. Anyone over 10 levels will have a 3 day ban.

 

I loved ks war, back in the day, I got asked many times to join ks wars at coolies, it was fun af xD

 

I always liked straightening out the people being out of line and trying to take a map of mine/a guildie. It does start a big mess, but sometimes back then you had to teach people the hard way. For now I think things are cool how they are. I haven't run into anyone not willing to change out of my channel yet.

 

I disagree. I prefer the way it is now and to be honest I find KSers annoying.

 

1. That just gives more power to those type of people, and making the people that don't KS life's harder. It would give 4th job mages/bishops compete domination in popular maps.

2. I did not, especially when the person was leagues above you.

3. Then you can do so with people that desire the same. I like to relax and watch videos while I grind, and having the deal with someone else in the map trying to train too is rather annoying. Then on top of that, you'll get people that have considerably better gear then you, or just have a class that is considerably better then your class at training, like 4th job mages. I don't see trying to train against a 4th job mage/bishop being much fun unless you're a 4th job mage/bishop as well.

4. This is for the GMs to decide, and to me KSing someone out of a map is a bit more then just a bit rude.

5. Then we got 3 people in the map barely getting EXP.

 

With the server being as small as it is.. I just don't think it's too smart. Gonna ruin your reputation fast... also drama llama comes to town

 

This topic is irrelevant.

There have been specific changes made due to this process. (i.e. map owner). As the people above me has mentioned, the server is already small enough as it is.

The reason it wasn't a bannable offense on GMS was due to it's immensely larger population, resulting in way more cases of ksing.

I personally have been playing since about v.20 and I was never a fan of ksing because it was just a waste of time most of the time. Sure there can be occasional get-togethers for more recreational ksing but purposely ksing, while part of the old maplestory we knew, was just a plain pain in the ass.

Your point about channel cap. The number of channels on this server has already been changed from 6-10. With an increase in channels, also comes with an increased number of boss spawns, resulting in even more complaints regarding bosses such as Anego and Bigfoot.

Also ksing is like war, hence the name ks war. There are no rules. You can't make specific rules such as being within a certain level range. If you ks, you ks. You didn't get banned for ksing in gms if you were in a different level range, why have it be any different?

P.S. on a completely unrelated note, how is this relevant? I only find you in FM buying fame all day......(don't mean for this to sound cynical)

P.P.S. it's not whining, it's a legitimate reason. Ksing is a double-edged sword. If you want ksing, you'll get ksing as well. Now do we really all want to just ks each other all day?

 

@Gags @ben259 Of course it's not a problem right now. The player base is currently small. Just wanted to get the ball rolling as the server grows.

@ben259 the 4th job mage issue could be resolved with the 10 level rule.

@ben259 I'm not saying we should be adding channels. My sentiments are in the opposite direction. If our player base were to double in size than it is right now, perhaps we would be up to 20 channels. If it were to triple, I have a feeling we'd keep it at 20 channels. If it were to quadruple, i'd imagine it'd stay at 20 channels, because people would complain if it went over what GMS was. So no matter how big this games gets, the channel cap would probably be 20, so at some point, the channel saturation will increase at a much greater rate than it is now, seeing as we wouldn't be able to add any more channels. Just prompting people to perhaps imagine what the game would be like if our player base was as large as the top maple story private server, which is about 5 times as large. It is conceivable that MapleRoyals could grow to such a size, especially once the server is stabilized with the new source.

@ben259 It seems you are stating that because a ks war happens to be called a "ks war", that all the same rules of war should apply to it, stating that word choice is of paramount importance, which I can't really agree with. I gave you the reason for why it should be different. Someone stated that ks'ing was not a problem before 4th job was introduced. So integrating a "10 level rule" might help to fix that. And you might be answering your own question when you ask "You didn't get banned for ksing in gms if you were in a different level range, why have it be any different?" because I completely agree with that statement. But I offered up the "10 level rule" because people seem to be a bit more sensitive towards ks'ing than they used to be. I think the answer to your question is the fact that you would want KSing to be a bannable offense. If KSing were to not be a bannable offense, the reason to institute such a rule would be for the sake of compromise.

@ben259 You're being sliiiightly silly when you're stating I sit in FM all day and buy fame, since I probably spend 5 minutes a day, at most, doing that xD But regardless, I like to stretch my mind, think outside the box, and run my ideas by other people. I don't see why it should matter whether or not I even deal with KSing, for me to consider the pros and cons of it. That's the whole purpose of empathy, to look outside of yourself and consider scenarios that you may or may not ever have to deal with.

@Everyone I wholeheartedly hope you don't take offense when I disagree with your stance We are all entitled to our own opinions, and I just like how such a conversation can stretch my brain. If arguing with me leaves you emotionally compromised, than I would advise that you stop.

 

I was never a big fan of KSing but at the same time I remember a lot of times where it was a lot of fun.

Considering I remember reading somewhere that a gm said "...DCing at bosses feels nostalgic and should remain" (not verbatim) allowing KSing should as well.

 

^^ DCing at bosses is not a nostalgic thing for me. I never DCed from bossing in gms lol. If I did it was nothing similar to what can/does happen here.

 

there's just kind of no point with a level range rule because it would defeat the purpose of ksing. It would essentially just become a pvp system without killing each other.

 

I've been around GMS since beta and KSing was NEVER fun to me. It was just another form of cyber bullying, that's all. It was annoying as fuck to have your training map robbed from you out of nowhere. This type of behavior is out of line and flat out rude.

KSing was technically against the rules but as @ben259 pointed out it wasn't enforced due to the extremely high population of the official servers.

KSing won't even be fun here since bishops and mages will win EVERY time. Every single time. If my Buccaneer was being KSed all I would have to do is hop on my Bishop and dominate everyone else.

Hey, if you and your friends want to have a "KS war" be my guest. Seriously, you can KS your friends all you want. As long as no one is being harassed or reported you are completely within your right to KS each other. You guys just want to rudely KS innocent people who just want to grind. That is rude as fuck.

 

KS war was fun af man I totally agree with u. But this server would never allow it, they to strict.

 

Usually in discussions people give reasons for their opinions. Do you have anything legitimate you'd like to add to it?

EDIT: Did not mean to quote @Gossamer

EDIT 2 : All I mean is that you didn't input anything that wasn't already said in the post. This has been a pretty good discussion so far, maybe there are other things you'd like to add. Like what about KS wars were fun. I did not mean to come across as rudely as I did (which I realized after re reading my post)

 

KS war was fun because it was like a competition for the map. It helped past the time when I was mindlessly grinding and someone would just start stealing my kills.