[Suggestion] About HP & Def Scrolls

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    Very few people scroll for HP and most people just drop Def scrolls because defense is almost worthless, so I was wondering if you are able to customize the stats given by scrolls. If so, would that be something you guys would consider doing in order to increase the usefulness of these items?

    I think adding a zero at the end of the current stats would be a substantial enough boost to warrant their use. :3
     
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    Adding a zero behind at the end would benefit hp gear way too much for people who wants to have a Zakum helmet at low level. Maybe a slight change there but definitely add a zero on the DEF scrolls, damn they are so worthless now heh.
     
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    I understand what you mean about the HP scrolls, so maybe not adding a zero. I feel like the boost needs to be pretty significant to increase demand though. And it could be good for many players, especially those who are new to the game or else refrain from washing their characters. It would also add variety to the scrolling of masks, since as it is now the accuracy ones only benefit certain classes. I dunno... :p
     
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    I think a distribution of good AND bad scrolls are needed to make the game work. If every scroll was useful, then every gach ticket would lead to a good result, and a lot of things would be thrown off balance (e.g., no one ever sells ap resets cuz gach ftw)

    Every game has its share of shitty items, and I think this is by design.
     
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    I agree with adding z ero at the end of both scroll's stats. But already use them. I save them up and then dump them all on the shitty, low level equipment of new characters. Def. scrolls save pots. HP pots save finger energy required to press the heal button quite so often.
     
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    No matter what you change them to, they will never have any use over other scrolls.

    This might be good for new players
    New players need damage more than defense.
     
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    People use them to dummy scroll too.
     
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    What is dummy scrolling?
     
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    Sorry if that's a dummy question
     
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    It's when someone uses junk scrolls with the intention of failing them to improve the chances of the important scrolls passing. For example, let's say I'm scrolling a claw with 30%s and pass the first scroll, to increase the chances of the next one passing I'd use junk scrolls on some random equips and get a few to fail before scrolling the claw again. This method doesn't actually work but it makes people feel better about scrolling things.
     
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    i think adding a 0 in those scroll would be great, and hp scrolls will not be overpower or in anyway better than hp wash, current equips that u can use scroll hp are low, and the bonus of hp when u scroll is rly low, even with another 0
     
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    I'm not buying the "Add a 0 to hp scrolls" suggestion. It's not gonna feel nostalgic at all. You really want your looters to be under pressure, struggling their way to get a really early zhelm.
     
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    A buff might be in place, but @knuckle has a point in saying that making them even worth anything at all would disturb the current balance. Gach would be more valuable, because you mostly get trash items now.

    -1 from me, sorry. There's no real need for it and it would cause more trouble than good.
     
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    Perfect example of how OP adding a zero to HP scrolls would be, and how useless adding a zero to def scrolls is.
     
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    Nostalgia will always be subjective. also most inexperienced players don't get their zhelm till their later levels where they can survive fine. The only struggle of getting a zhelm is the fear of dc'ing...

    More trouble than good? Upgrading HP scrolls would actually have some sort of niche use instead of being the trash that they are now. And with such a niche market its price wont be significant.

    Remember what you're giving up for the extra HP though... HP isn't actually needed if you're funded. You'd rather use damage scrolls. Def will always be useless with the way potions work though.


    I think HP scroll change would be a good idea, it would give some usefulness to the scroll category and would be a nice addition to the game.
     
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    You wouldn't be giving up anything, not even unfounded people use hp scrolls on their main equips. The only people who use them are people trying to make hp equips for bosses, and with that change the equips would be very op.
     
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    Is not VERY op, actually the only way to go funded is complete offensive equip, this would give a bit balance for ppl who want to go defensive in their funded equip, dont think you ?
    Dont see any problem with that, its not like any class can get 30k hp with those change, or even 10k, its just a boost for those who want get defensive in their funded equip.
     
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    Even adding a zero to the end of hp equips won't make people want to go defensive in their equips, it still wouldn't be worth it compared to scrolling for stats or attack. And if you can't see how OP that is idk what to tell you. Everyone would be able to zak at level 50. And that would still be basically the only use for hp equips. It really doesn't serve any purpose. Combine that with economic effects and it becomes an even worse idea.
     
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    NOBODY invite a noob to a Zakum run, a warrior class can BUY zhelm at early lvl 50 cus they got a boost in hp, end of the history.
    Im lvl 110 Chief Bandit, and i dont have zhelm, evrybody say i have to be 135 to do bossrun, and my only way to get zhelm actually is to buy it.
    I dont want to buy it, i want to do bossrun, and im lvling to 135 to do so.
    Or are u gonna invite evry lvl 50 to do zakum ? Or do u think there is gonna be a lvl 50 party to do a Zakum run ? please -.-
    If you think adding some hp in your equip is VERY OVER POWER, you are wrong, guilds and party dont pick you up to do Boss run bcus u have large amount of hp, if that is true, all u need to do is to up ur hp stat, dont matter how trash ur heroe is :-/
    excuse my bad english :c
     

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