Leeching and thoughts on what it does to the game.

Don't worry, you only made yourself sound slow. tehee

 

But you can't compare a boss run (which takes a huge amount of organization/ funding) to grinding.

An unfunded attacking class (non mage) will not make 600m in 15 hours. Plus you have access to HS and the potential to sell leech. You are likely leeching yourself or a friend to take advantage of OP party exp.

My point still stands. It is more beneficial / faster to make a bishop first and then leech yourself to 130. Bishops also have the ability to give more exp / kill (nearly 2x total amount) and kill faster than all classes other than arch mages. This is overpowered. No class should exist that makes all other classes to grind with, obsolete.

Not that I don't like priests/bishops. I've played them for years. I just think it's retarded that a single class has a x2 exp advantage when grinding and the ability to sell leech.

 

Isn't this horribly inefficient? You could have made a bishop first. Then leeched all three level 16X in much less time. You would have also saved zillions in gear which could be used towards AP resets.

This is exactly it.

Which, back to my point, F--K BISHOPS PLEASE NERF!

 

Seeing as my Hero was the 16th character to 200 and had top Hero range at that time, before my Bishop ever had a point into Genesis, I'll beg to differ that it was more efficient than whatever the hell most of you are doing.

 

lol, the only advantage that you are stating at this point is literally - holy symbol which always has existed (even in GMS) and is stupid to take away.

Maybe don't make mesos while grinding on an attacking class??? You are looking at this very single mindely. We have so much content to take advantage from. Go temple of time if you're a warrior class for exp, make mesos outside temple of time, then you're sorted. Christian got 1-120 at wolf spiders and himes in a WEEK when I was the only bishop that existed at 130 at the start of the server and I didn't even grind with him. I solo'd GS2 till level 92, while attacking classes were going to wolf spiders. If you seem to like bishops and how they make mesos then make one yourself. I know Menno used to grind without holy symbol at temple of time unless he found a partner, and guess what he has three level 200 warriors. If you feel like grinding is too slow without holy symbol, make a level 81 holy symbol mule, or find someone that has one and grind with them. Two warriors at temple of time with a holy symbol mule in the free market is faster than bishops at skelegons. And is probably 10x faster than leeching. And guess what, bishops don't even get exp at bosses, because parties tend to not let them leech. This way attackers gain way more exp than bishops.

 

I agree, we should totally buff bishops !

 

But bishops are perfectly fine. Maybe like decrease exp gain from party or remove leech if a character afks for a period of time (already implemented in GMS). Then all you leeching dicks will see how hard it is to level and you can experience GMS golden days.

 

Having the assumption that everyone here is a leeching dick is why I can't take this thread or pretty much any feedback thread similar to this serious. But I guess you figured out already I didn't bother with a serious reply before

I hate bishops in general, I see them as a pest but you don't hear me cry about that in such threads ^^

 

So, in response to that since it's actually a moderately sensible part of your post, we simply can't do something like that at this point anymore. We're just too far into the lifespan of the server. Implementing something like this would make it incredibly difficult to make high-HP ranged characters (and Shadowers, coughtatercough) of which there are already about 50 on the server, if you consider high to be 11k+ and not blooded. It would be very, very unfair to hinder the ability to do that now.

Are you telling me that what some people enjoy about this game makes them dicks? I think that's incredibly bigoted. Enjoy the game the way you want to; nobody is stopping you. I'll enjoy the game that I want to. Please don't try to stop me.

 

Yeah I'm aware it's too late at this point.

Which is more objectively more enjoyable?

Leeching yourself to 120 or grinding with a party of friends to 120.
This server is too heavily skewed towards high levels / experienced players which destroys the experience of new comers.

Look how empty temple of time, gobies, squids, himes, ect. are.

Nobody is grinding anymore. Leeching destroys the core of the game. Everybody is doing their own thing. It doesn't feel like a community to me. The only people who are apart of the community are level 135+ who most likely leeched their way there.

Micheal I have nothing against you btw, this is just my opinion. You recovered my items when they were lost to a glitch =).
You are a great GM.

 

@Wolf confirmed a leeching dick

 

That's for every individual who plays this server to determine for themselves.

I have nothing against you either, mate, I apologize if I sound harsh sometimes. It's just my manner of speaking.

 

Most people grinded to 120 to be able to leech themselves to 120.

 

I feel like if that were the case the player/vote statistics wouldn't be putting out the numbers that they are. The population and peak population numbers have only went up since late April when I joined, and they certainly haven't declined which is quite inevitable when end game population gets too weighted.

Also outside of Himes(which I see smegas/parties for everyday and frequently got invited to parties when I grinded my priest) the maps you mentioned are just straight up garbo to current options even when grinding. Wolf Spiders into Ulu maps destroy a majority of those places. Temple of Time is just inefficient for a majority of classes until 4th job skills become available.

Leeching is certainly part of the community but I feel like you aren't trying hard enough to find people to train with. Have you tried joining an active guild in order to find grinding parties? I feel like your slow level speed(no offense) can be attributed to less dedication to actually finding people and grinding, or you're on at low population times.

4 months in v62 gMS was plenty of time to reach 4th job without leech on x1/x2 events. Some classes(F/p's for example) could make it in a month

 

There's always going to be someone leveling faster than you.
There's always going to be someone making more money than you.

 

This. If you're self leeching, you've had to put in the time somehow. And to be honest, you still have to grind to at least level 58 for gs2 leech.
And tbh, I feel like grinding was a lot faster than leech would have been, but I did have an HS mule. Self leech really isn't that great until 75.
So you're still grinding quite a bit.

To me it kinda seems odd because people fund themselves with godly gear and breeze through lower levels too.
Shouldn't that "take away" from the game? But I don't really ever see complaints about that

 

This doesn't prove anything, it just shows you were more dedicated on your hero than your bishop.

Fair point, but I like to look at this as an investment. If you're planning on making a bishop sometime in your career, why not make it your first? For those of you that play dota, it's similar to buying a hand of midas as your first item; the sooner the better.

Anyways, most of what needs to be said has already been said, at the end of the day leeching is not as big of a problem as some put it. Whether you agree with leeching or not, there's nothing stopping you from doing it or not doing it and we shouldn't take that option away from people. If you wanna talk about a real issue (if any at all) then let's talk multi-clienting, as that has much more of an impact on this game than leeching.

 

I remember when I was level 40.

I tuned into @Plenty 's stream and I saw him Speed Infusion and Sharp Eyes buff himself in FM and started grinding. I thought "Wow! No way this can be legit!"

Obviously he worked very hard to obtain those mules but imagine the unfair BROKEN, GAME BREAKING advantage he is receiving compared to the rest of us grinding normally.

Plenty doesn't know me, but to me, he is the master of this server.

He knows everything about the game and everything that can be abused in it to maximize efficiency. IDK what his opinions are on leeching / multiclient but I truly believe he will have a better game experience if these things were nerfed or removed.

No that doesn't take away from the game. They earned that gear.

Leeching takes away from the game because of two main reasons;

1. Every single skeles channel there is someone leeching. Imagine if leeching didn't exist. Every one of these channels will be filled with grinding parties instead, encouraging social aspects of the game.

2. A leecher is leveling MUCH faster than a regular grinder. Making a Bishop's first will allow you to level AND make mesos faster than every single class.


Leeching destroyed every single thing I loved about the game; PQs, leveling slowly to achieve small goals, and grinding with friends.

It is mainly the reason I have stopped playing as much. I had some amazing times when I was level 1-75. <3 RMS

@jeenybeeny Remember when we were at Petris and I was trying to flirt with you but you were too busy leeching? Those were good times.

 

Can we just close this already?

 

Or maybe I was "too busy" because I didnt want random people flirting with me. I have no qualms having friendly conversation with people, but when someone you dont know just randomly comes onto you, it tends to make people not want to talk. So theres that.

Also, I have never taken payment for leech so your making mesos argument is invalid in regards to me at least.

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