Would you ever want to see leech nerfed/gone from the server?

BEFORE I GET FLAMED BY ANYONE, THIS IS MERELY A THREAD TO KNOW WHAT THE MAJORITY FEELS ABOUT LEECHING. I AM NOT ASKING FOR LEECH TO BE REMOVED/NERFED.

 

I personally don't care for/participate in leeching but people like to play the way they want so if it is never removed nothing really changes for me. I think I mainly hate how it inflates the price of playing a mage and discourages me from trying to level one to fourth job.

 

No as it would affect too many peoples' sources of income. Plus, you can always level without it if you really want. It makes everything easier, but it isnt necessary ^^
Also, I dont think there would be a way to do this anyway. for example, priests are supportive classes and arent really meant to be killing monsters such as ws. On the other hand, by providing hs they are contributing. This would look like leeching even if it wasnt and so would be unrealistic to implement.

Side Note: I don't sell leech.

 

As of affecting peoples incomes that is true but mages could easily find other sources of income like farming scrolls or eqp selling and it could be even more efficient than selling leech. Offering leech as a slower alternative to training if party ratio exp was ever nerfed would change the majority's goal to collect money from gaching or merching to solely leech would encourage more people to train and actually enjoy their jobs, I get that this is the individuals choice and they are free to do whatever they want but it saddens me to see all my friends forgetting about training and trying to get leeched only.

As for priests, I actually trained all the way from 8 to 120 without buying any leech, We will begin to see less [HS looking for ws party to afk leech] and more HS'ers who train aswell, and let me tell you from my personal experience training a priest to 120 was quite easy 70~80 gs2 and doing himes with a mate from 80 to 120 and even when I didnt find a himes party, I went down to kill ws aswell and got a decent solo exp.

But isn't a supportive class such as bishop who has one of the best 4th job mob damaging wise supposed to have a harder 3rd job and 2nd job? it only makes sense because you work harder to earn some of the best skills at 4th job.

sorry for my bad engando

 

I strongly disapprove leeching, since having to put a lot of effort into leveling it's what pre big bang maplestory is all about. Getting to high levels should require a lot of time and dedication, making being able to explore new areas, and fight bosses you couldn't before the most satisfying. Even without leeching I feel that you breeze through 10 ~ 120 extremely fast.

 

Leeching is only efficient for a very small span of time/levels so I really don't see what the problem is. Saying that leech is the majority's goal is a massive overstatement. All of these threads just end up in certain people trying to force their own personal view onto others simply to satisfy their own nostalgia fix.

Everything that can be said has probably already been said here:
http://royals.ms/forum/threads/leeching-and-thoughts-on-what-it-does-to-the-game.31971/

 

Actually, they're the fastest class to level up from 2nd and early 3rd job all things being equal.

I don't mind leeching. It's not an efficient way to level up during the end game and would make duo/trio sort of pointless. Like you said, mages have other ways to make money and could possibly make more from leeching, so there isn't really an imbalance.

 

Personally, I don't sell leech.
I end up leeching myself. The reality is that if you buy leech, it's for certain amounts of levels, after level 130, Leeching is rather ineffective for exp gain.
Lower levels (mainly under level 125) often fund themselves with a higher level, selling gacha scrolls/equips/etcs, as well as NPCing, scrolling, and farming. I don't think removing leeching will effect the Royalers game that much other than reducing the amount of smegas and spam.

TLR:
Leeching will always be slower than leveling yourself (unless you're weak).
There are other ways to make money.
It's essentially pointless to leech at high levels (135+)

 

I dont' know what kind of people you've been around, But most of the people I meet rarely train from 75~120 and only wait for things to sell to buy leech. Barely anyone gets motivated to train because of how fast leech is compared to training.
I'm not trying to "force my own opinion" on others, I simply want to know how others feel about this certain subject.

EDIT: I've already seen that thread before, I wanted to have one with a poll.

 

There was a time when I would have said yes to a thread like this; I never leeched on a main character, and only ever leeched maybe 10 hours total on mule characters. I've probably sold a total of 12 hours of leech, and leeched friends maybe 20 hours over the entire 18 months I played royals. I did just fine money wise, and levels wise.

I guess my point is, if you don't want leech to affect you, you don't have to deal with leech. If other people want to pay someone else game-money to let them not play the game, more power to them. In my experience, those people usually uit before they get very far anyway.

 

Before the whole leeching craze that came with Ultimate spam Priest did indeed do more than just sit on a rope and HS. Singapore, Nath, Ludi, and Himes gives everything a cleric/priest could need to get 4th(for awhile we didn't even have two of those) Lack of leeching would also promote more grinding parties which would also promote more map usage such as Goby parties and the like.

It's more of the mentality that came with 4th job that a priest is expected to leech.

To answer the question of the thread more directly however, I feel like leeching is far too ingrained in the server to be changed. The consumable economy and equipment NPCing(as well as good ol'Ulu being available) makes leeching far more commonplace and expected. How easily and heavily HP washing is done also promotes Leech and altering that would make it extremely difficult to heavily wash a character.

If it were to be changed the best option would be to simply go to 80:20 IMO . It would slow leeching down especially in gs2 and below but higher level leeching will still be very effective, but wouldn't drown out training parties like it does now.

75-130 Leeching is faster for every class except for Archmages/Bishops. Once we account for washing Leeching is far easier and more effective.

Leeching also isn't really pointless at higher levels, especially for self leechers/washers.

 

Thank you, this is exactly how I feel.

 

Leeching doesn't need to be removed, just nerfed to the point where training by yourself will always be more effective than buying leech. Make it a 80:20 exp ratio and remove exp share if the difference in levels between party members is too high(no more archmages or bishop one shooting an entire maps of teddies for some level 30).

That can perfectly put that in the new source, which will kind of drastically change the game by itself.

 

This is pretty much why this probably won't be a thing.

 

I personally consider leeching cheating, but that doesn't mean I really have any reason to tell other people how they can or can't play the game. If you don't like leeching, don't leech. Would I care if there was no leeching? Nope, but others would probably care to an extent that would make me care.

 

In my opinion, it takes the challenge out of the game. I'd rather see it gone, but I'm aware its not an option at this point.

 

Way I see it, and excuse the analogy, leeching is a bit like wavedashing in melee.

An unintended result of a system that was already made, and changing it would change the game too much.

The original intention was for players to either be able to party together based on being close in level (within 5 levels of each other), or monsters being of the players level.

It's just that certain classes have map destroying AOEs with no cooldown, and this system can't account for those, lest regular training be ruined for every other class.