Chaos and/or White Scrolls Obtainable through mobs.

Michael explicitly said to stop talking about leech and your post is entirely about leech.

This isn't the time or place for that topic. If you have a relevant argument about chaos scrolls that hasn't already been mentioned, please feel free to post that.

 

I've only been active in this server for a couple months now and in that time I have made the equivalent of a couple billion mesos from farming, gach, and being smart about price checking items I obtained. I spent every meso I made on obtaining gear and improving my alts to make my life easier and never once bought leech. You think that you're leveling the playing field with this concept but in reality it just trivializes the work players who have godly gear have put in the past couple years. Contrary to what you believe not everyone should have easy access to white scrolls and chaos scrolls as it just leads to power creep and deflation on already relatively cheap items (considering their power). When everything is so easily obtainable and convenient you are just left with a lot of empty achievements. Think of the fleeting feeling of reaching 200 on a 50x exp + server or scrolling a godly item when a vendor just supplies everything required for it and you did nothing to earn any of it. Instead of getting frustrated and pointing fingers at the rich maybe try to work a little harder and reconsider where you spend your mesos if you want to get to that kind of level eventually. Godly items aren't earned instantly on this server for a reason and the people that are at the "end game" didn't get there by chance.

 

for me i wonot say i like or dislike .

but i believe with low drop rate like many things in game


it might donot effect the price of white and chaos scroll itself at the start . but many chaosed items will drop price of it if there is 100 cape with 10 att that a rich man made he will try to sell and i think not 100 person can pay 3b specially in his start and price might drop for that .


so i am neutral with that it comes or no it has some good things and some bad things

 

THE problem right now is that people are using them as currency and not actually using them. There are many many players right now holding stacks of them waiting for 15+ shoes/capes to pop up. People who are trying to actually ws their weapons are forced to overpay because there aren't any in circulation. There's no way to gather 50-100 ws to perfect a weapon without an insane amount of merching or nolifing 6 months while selling leech on a bishop. As someone who hates merching and has never (and will never) sell leech, some sort of alternative that doesn't rely on other people would be a welcomed addition. We are a vocal minority, but we do exist. You can't please everybody, but why not try? I'm willing to put in the work, but the only available methods right now are lame AF.

Meanwhile, the gap in wealth between mages and bossing characters is increasing (which is the opposite of what most people want to see happen) with the HT limit in place and the value of books crashing. A lot of unknown bishops have been gathering 10, 20, 30+b and are just now coming out of nowhere to make insane offers on equips. And since nobody wants to deal with managing max mesos on multiple mules, sellers are more inclined to accept offers of ws/chaos since it's an easy trade.

 

Exactly. What is the f--king point of farming when the leech sellers of the server are simply hording all the chaos / ws for themselves?

As a result, the prices of these scrolls are driven up and made impossible for a new player to ever upgrade their equips. The scrolls were meant to be used and circulated in the economy not abused as currency.
Spot on Goofy.

 

There are quite a few players with ranges around Aram's. It's not impossible, it's just not easy. It's not supposed to be easy.

You're asking for end-game content to be available to new players. That makes no sense at all, and it won't be implemented. Should we nerf Horntail to the point where Nexon did, since apparently Nexon knows what they're doing? How about making Zakum soloable in a couple of minutes so that new players can get helms without having to pay for them so that they can continue to be forced to use their money elsewhere? Do you see how ridiculous this sounds? That's what you encourage by allowing end-game items to be readily available to new players.

If you think that early game income for new players should be bolstered, that's something we can look at, but this suggestion would fix that problem and create a host of others that would probably destroy this server that you say you love so much. If you think that inflation is a problem, that's also another completely different issue and is unrelated to the number of items in the server; like someone said before, it's related to how easily raw mesos can be introduced into the server, and we've been making attempts to stop it, such as taxation on large purchases in shops got introduced, and Owls of Minerva as well to help remove mesos out of the economy, and as of right now, they've removed 1,534,735,659,251 mesos (yes, that's 1.5 trillion mesos) since their inception.

I'm sorry but restating that you think it's unfair that high level players who play this game more than you get access to the most end-game of items and you don't because you only play casually will not get this suggestion implemented. At this point, I highly doubt that anything will.

So, once again; if there is any new argument that needs to be brought up, please do.

EDIT: Just want to throw out there that I've recently perfected another weapon, made a large transaction w/ White Scrolls as the currency similar to the ones you mention, and I'm currently working on perfecting another equipment all without the general use of my Bishop as more than a slave to case Holy Symbol at bosses. Is it slower? Maybe it is, maybe I could be done that next equipment now, but it's still possible to do. I don't really know why you say that the book market is crashing when I've made more Horntail book sales in the last three days than I did the two weeks prior.

This was a new idea that's similar to the topic, so I'd like to direct everyone's attention to this and see where this leads.

 

I personally am failing to see the problem with how the scrolls are, perhaps we can go into detail as to why its an issue if people choose to save up their white scrolls or use them to upgrade equips because I just can't wrap my head around this. And how would an abysmally low drop rate at lower level monsters would fix this? How would chaos/white scrolls dropping from gMS tables fix this? The only result I can see is the problems mentioned with the scrolls becoming much more abundant, namely the strength of the server being drastically increased and equipment and consumables dropping in price leading to a much more stagnant and unsatisfying server. This would also lead either to a much bigger gap between the rich and the poor(see present day/post big bang gMS) or such a small gap that progression just fails to satisfy and hold people. Even if Chaos/White Scrolls died, something else would eventually replace it as a "currency" item.

Item based progression may not be enjoyable for a few people in this thread but it is quite frankly an established thing through out MapleStory, and I can't really see how this can be changed or fixed. It feels like this thread is discussing a problem but has only offered solutions that would eventually cause similar harm or cause harm for the server in other aspects

 

I really like the dojo idea. It can give attacking classes a chance to farm w/s or chaos scrolls through dojo.

Moderator Edit: I've fixed this for you to stop talking about leech, since it's not relevant.

 

Thread locked. We said not to discuss leech further in this thread, but certain people didn't listen.