As with my Dark Knight's What Spear should I use? thread, I'm not fully justifying my math here because it takes longer to explain that way. But you should come to the same conclusion if you want to go ahead and try it yourself. Well, using some simple math I found for the Lucky 7 damage formula (yes, as far as I know it's the same for Triple Throw): MAX = (LUK * 5.0) * Weapon Attack / 100 MIN = (LUK * 2.5) * Weapon Attack / 100 (L>confirmation from anyone that this formula is correct, as this entire thread depends on it.) Now, before I go deeper into the math, I am going to state upfront that I will be intentionally overlooking some aspects. First, I will be overlooking weapon speed for the sake of simplicity (however, I will gladly later do the math to incorporate it). Secondly, I am going to ignore the fact that you can gain LUK from equipment as well as DEX; ergo, I am ignoring a potential trade of LUK gears which boosted your damage more for DEX gears to wear the higher level claws. Furthermore, I am overlooking the added complexity of skills such as Maple Warrior and Echo of a Hero. So let's look at the formula. It appears there are two variables, LUK and Weapon Attack. However, there is actually only one variable: LUK. The reason is we can essentially remove the variable Weapon Attack factor based on the fact that the Weapon Attack difference between your respective DEXless and DEX requiring claws will be static. Your LUK, however, can change rapidly with each level. Without going into too much detail on the mathematics/reasoning, comparing two claws will effectively come down to 2 things: 1) The effective "LUK loss" going from Claw A to Claw B. 2) The effective weapon attack gain going from Claw A to Claw B. Here's the relevant formulas: LUK loss = [Additional DEX required to equip Claw B] - (LUK on Claw B - LUK on Claw A). AP required = LUK loss + (LUK loss) / ( [ATK on Claw B + Other Weapon Attack] / [ATK on Claw A + Other Weapon Attack] - 1 ) Calculating for AP required will give you the number which is the total usable AP you'll have to accumulate in order for it to become worth it to make the switch from Claw A to Claw B. By the way, this has nothing to do with DEXless or not, you can use this between any two claws! To demystify this a bit, let's gather some claw data to use. Maple Skanda, 29~42 weapon attack, +2~9 LUK. Maple Pyrope Skanda, 33~46 weapon attack, +3~10 LUK. Average Red Craven, 46 weapon attack, +6 LUK, required 140 DEX. Average Dragon Green Sleeve, 50 weapon attack, requires 150 DEX. Perfect Dragon Purple Sleeve, 60 weapon attack, +13 LUK, requires 150 DEX. We must also take into account that we gain weapon attack from other sources. Here are some common ones. Ilbi Throwing Stars, 27 weapon attack. Crystal Ilbi Throwing Stars, 29 weapon attack. Work Gloves, which can be scrolled for a varying amount of weapon attack. Stormcaster Gloves, 5 weapon attack. Pink Adventurer Cape, 2 weapon attack. Facestompers, 2 weapon attack. Warrior Elixirs, +12 weapon attack. Ciders, +20 weapon attack. Onyx Apples, +100 weapon attack. Let's create a few hypothetical scenarios. Scenario 1: Noobie. As a noobie, we'll still assume you have managed to get your hands on Ilbis, an Average Red Craven or Maple Skanda clean, and 8 attack Work Gloves. You only have a 10 DEX Bathrobe for now. You use Warrior Elixirs. Therefore, your stats are as follows. +10 DEX 47 weapon attack from non-weapon sources Claw A: 33 weapon attack, 3 LUK, Maple Skanda. Claw B: 46 weapon attack, 6 LUK, Red Craven. Requires 140 DEX. Scenario 2: Mid-range. Now you're a mid-ranged Night Lord. You still have your Ilbis, but now you can upgrade to a moderately good Dragon Sleeve or Maple Skanda. You have 13 attack gloves now, a 2 attack PAC, and you use Ciders. When bossing, you'll use apples. You can go for a 20 DEX or LUK overall, depending on the weapon you use, but regardless you have a 25 DEX/15 LUK Zakum Helmet and 23 DEX/LUK HTP. Therefore, your stats are as follows. Claw A build +48 DEX +58 LUK 62 weapon attack from non-weapon sources, 142 when appling. Claw A: 50 weapon attack, 10 LUK, Maple Skanda. Claw B build +68 DEX +38 LUK 62 weapon attack from non-weapon sources, 142 when appling. Claw B: 67 weapon attack, 14 LUK, Dragon Purple Sleeve. Requires 150 DEX. Scenario 3: Pro. You're the real deal now. You have super strong gears. You even have some Crystal Ilbis. You have near prefect weapons, for both a Dragon Purple Sleeve and Maple Skanda. Your gloves are up to 21 weapon attack, your PAC up to 16 weapon attack, and some 12 attack Facestompers. You have Onyx Apples falling out of your ears. Your Zakum Helmet boasts 35 DEX / 20 LUK now, and HTP is up to 25 DEX / LUK. Your awesome top/bottom combo comes to a combined total of 18 DEX / 35 LUK. Therefore, your stats are as follows. +78 DEX +80 LUK 178 weapon attack from non-weapon sources Claw A: 73 weapon attack, 11 LUK, Maple Skanda. Claw B: 90 weapon attack, 15 LUK, Dragon Purple Sleeve. Requires 150 DEX. Spoiler: Scenario 1: Noobie Total DEX = 25 + 10 = 35 LUK loss = (140 - 35) - (6 - 3) = 102 AP required = 102 + (102) / ([(46 + 47) / (33 + 47)] - 1) = 102 + (102) / ([(93) / (80)] - 1) = 102 + (102) / (13/80) = 102 + 627.7 = 729.7 Ergo, when your total usable AP is 730 or more, it is worth it to put your AP into DEX in order to make the switch from Maple Skanda to Red Craven. This occurs at level 143. Spoiler: Scenario 2a: Mid-range training Total DEX = 25 + 68 = 93 // The +20 is the loss of switching from a 20 LUK -> 20 DEX overall. LUK loss = (150 - 93) - (14 - 10) + 20 = 73 AP required = 73 + (73) / ([(67 + 62) / (50 + 62)] - 1) = 73 + (73) / ([(129) / (112)] - 1) = 73 + (73) / (17/112) = 73 + 480.9 = 553.9 Ergo, the Dragon Purple Sleeve is always better to use when using a Cider. Spoiler: Scenario 2b: Mid-range bossing Total DEX = 25 + 68 = 93 // The +20 is the loss of switching from a 20 LUK -> 20 DEX overall. LUK loss = (150 - 93) - (14 - 10) + 20 = 73 AP required = 73 + (73) / ([(67 + 142) / (50 + 142)] - 1) = 73 + (73) / ([(209) / (192)] - 1) = 73 + (73) / (17/192) = 73 + 824.5 = 897.5 Ergo, when your total usable AP is 898 or more, it is worth it to put your AP into DEX in order to make the switch from Maple Skanda to Dragon Purple Sleeve. This occurs at level 177. As you can see, the outside weapon attack makes a big difference. When appling, the Maple Skanda has an advantage for much longer. Spoiler: Scenario 3: Pro Total DEX = 25 + 78 = 103 LUK loss = (150 - 103) - (15 - 11) = 43 AP required = 43 + (43) / ([(90 + 178) / (73 + 178)] - 1) = 43 + (43) / ([(268) / (251)] - 1) = 43 + (43) / (17/251) = 43 + 634.9 = 677.9 Ergo, when your total usable AP is 678 or more, it is worth it to put your AP into DEX in order to make the switch from Maple Skanda to Dragon Purple Sleeve. This occurs at level 133. tl;dr If you're a beginning player with no funds, go DEXless. If you're decently geared, think about how often you will be appling; DEXless will be better on apples until you're a very high level. If you're a pro, DEX claws will always be better. All that said, if you have any doubt, use the formula given to find your answer! I may one day make a calculator for this as well, we'll see. If this looks like a guide copied from another set of forums, that's because it is, I made that guide (check my avatar).
problem is you shouldn't have to quit being dexless, as night ravens claw was implemented in v.59, you should be able to endgame and still have a choice of going either or, but because there is no NRC you are forced to give up 33% extra damage and are not able to remain dexless. so a perf scrolled NRC vs Perf DPS your only missing on 10 wepon attack, but forced to give up dps because either they purposely did not implement NRC as it is a true before V.62 claw. or they got their information wrong
