Royals Lottery!

Discussion in 'Closed' started by Jeen, Jan 21, 2016.

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Would this be something you were interested in?

  1. Yeah!

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  2. Not really...

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  3. Maybe if I have a few spare nx

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    Hi everyone! With the increasing amount of players, and the increasing number of people who gach and obtain nx, I came up with the idea of a Royals lottery! (@Andreas helped too, maybe)

    Basically, it would be a scheduled lottery with nx buy ins for an untradeable item. This is so that it does not affect the economy, but also provides another place to use our nx besides gach and selling things.

    Schedule: I would suggest bi-monthly or quarterly so that leaves more than enough time for people to reach at least level 15.

    Buy Ins: 1k NX would equal 1 ticket. No more than 30k NX worth of tickets could be bought. In other words, max 30 ticket buy in. This is to prevent people who have hoarded nx from having a significant impact on who can win the prize. 30k is at most 4 days of voting and easily done by any member. Plus, I know a lot of us have some random 2-3k nx sitting around leftover after a gach, so it might be fun to do something with it instead of just waiting to do the gach cycle all over again.

    Prizes: Untradeable equips/chairs/*open to other ideas* This is to prevent people from capitalizing on the event and purely to enjoy the item they win.

    This is purely an idea on my part for a GM Event, not a collective staff idea.

    Please leave any other suggestions you guys may have below ^^

    *Please excuse any typos or errors as I am currently working from my phone and with one eye
     
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    Yaaaas Jeen! This would be awesome, this would be so unique and would spice up the server. Also, who doesn't love a good lottery 0:)
     
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    I LOVE this idea!! I'm a huge fan of equips & chairs so this is super lovely <3 YES PLEASE ~f2
     
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    Looking forward to the potential rewards!
     
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    Sounds fun, ive been putting 8 tickets into a kerning a day for weeks and getting nothing, I would do this.
     
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    Maybe if the prize was $1.5 billion I missed out on after throwing $10 into the Powerball lottery :C
     
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    Honestly, interested in anything @Jeen suggests haha

    In all seriousness, +1 for this idea!
     
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    I would start voting again for this.
     
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    I'm in.
     
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    This so dopeee!! Definitely down for this ~f15
     
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    I like the idea of the equips being untradable but then that item should be wearable to anyone or if you win a item that you cant equip , It would be good to have a NPC that can change that item for a equip that you can use.
     
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    Sounds like a fab idea! :)

    How does it work exactly though? You somehow get a random number for each ticket? And winners are chosen how?
     
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    Dragon Lord Necklace (9+all, lv120)
    Warm Muffler (Necklace, 2+ all lv10)
    Zombie Army ring (1+ all stats)
    Explorer's (name) ring (diff stats)

    Could be possible prices, I reckon them being untradeable
     
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    Prizes would be purely aesthetic. Nothing that affects gameplay as that would be pay2win.

    If it was a gender specific item, I would imagine there would be a male / female counterpart.
     
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    In my opinion, adding a lottery slightly takes away from nostalgia of the game. We already gamble on gachapon so if you just added those untradeable items into the different gach NPCs you'd be achieving the same result, except without having to program an entirely new lottery system or change the dynamics of the game.

    A side effect from the lottery I'd expect to see are more "login -> gach/lotto -> logoff" players. It really can't be helped unless you turned the lotto into a quest, but hurts the community in terms of activeness. It'd also just be a part of the game only veterans who are either content with their wealth or want specific items would enjoy as new players would much rather opt to spend their nx on something profitable.

    It's also something you can easily abuse if you hoarded 30k nx on all of your accounts and just entered when the prize was something you wanted. You can argue that people have the right to use up their nx however they see fit, but then there wouldn't be any point of the original 30k limit. Untradeable or not, it still seems imbalanced to me.

    PS: If you have extra nx, you could still buy tele rocks, AP resets, or even the 1 gachapon ticket. The way I see it, having an imperfect amount of nx after gaching is a good thing. It creates incentive to vote again to be able to spend your remaining nx (similar to RP).

    TL; DR: I'd prefer the developers to focus on fixing the bugs rather than adding more exploitable content.
     
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    It would be per person, not account. This wouldn't even really require any developer assistance because it could be held through the forums. The cap was to prevent abuse, I HARDLY think it would be allowed to be maxed out on every single account. It would be on a player basis, and they would be able to choose which account/char they wanted to gamble with for a SUM of 30k max.

    New players can opt to spend it on gach. I don't see anything wrong with providing new content to our players. It is purely aesthetic anyway and wouldn't change game play in anyway. If you want to argie "nostalgia", then we shouldn't have even have our GM events at all.

    Also, tp rocks have already been implemented in the FM and once they work like they should, there won't be much for people to spend their nx on EXCEPT gach (which I think is boring and would also flood the market even more with gach only items).

    TLDR: I don't see how adding purely aesthetic content via an event (especially since we already have them) are not nostalgic and having a cap of 30k nx per person is exploitable.
     
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    30k cap? So I can't put in 500k and win it all?
     
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    I'm not arguing whether or not we should change other content (GM Events). They have nothing to do with this topic other than being hosted by staff members. The discussion is purely about the lottery itself. As far as the necessary work it takes to implement the lottery, below is the minimum work that is required for both cases.

    Whether or not it requires the developers to put effort into it, you can see that it still puts an unnecessary amount of work on staff members who people will start to criticize for "ignoring" the support forums and focusing on events. The amount of coding you'd have to do, not to mention the bug fixing, may or may not be a huge pain in the ass depending on how thoroughly planned out the implementation is.

    Forum Based (Requires Monotonous Staff Effort)
    1. Post a thread each month or whatever interval and manage it daily.
    2. Check to see if a player has the minimum nx for the number of tickets they specify.
    3. Withdraw NX from each person that applies.
    4. Make a list of every person that applied.
    5. Contact the winner and schedule a meeting time.
    6. Meet the player, give the item and make it untradeable.​

    NPC Based (Requires Source Edit/Exploitable)
    1. Write the entire lottery script.
    2. Assign the dates the lottery allows people to participate.
    3. Figure out how to hand the item to the player that wins.
    4. Figure out how to avoid major bugs from lag or server-related issues.
    5. Patch the files and require a server check for testing.
    6. Exploitable because you could have 10+ accounts just for this very lottery.
    (Impractical, but completely possible.)
    As for people wasting their nx on the items I specified earlier, you forget that not everyone is willing to spend mesos in the FM shop. Even if they did, you will still find people who don't mind spending the nx on those items in the cash shop and undercutting the prices for a quick sale rather than having to dump gach items in their shop and possibly searching through two channels just for a spot. The shop in the FM is just an alternative to purchasing smegas for most people.

    If you're saying there's nothing to spend nx on other than gach, it's pretty clear you forgot the purpose of the Cash Shop. There are clothes you can purchase, pets, and many more items in that shop to choose from. The only thing stopping you from purchasing those items is either the price tag or that you don't feel the need to have those items. Wasn't having nice things the point of the lottery anyways?

    If people wanted a way to purchase rare nx items, you could just add items to the CS with insane price tags considering that the average amount of nx it'd take you to win in an event like this would be absurd given the size of the population unless you were lucky. From experience, I'm nearly positive people would much prefer direct purchase than gambling with zero return.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not shooting the idea down completely as you may think, but there's just much more to consider than the picture you laid out.
     
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    I think you are forgetting the new source, saying the support forum is going to be neglected don't make sense as the amount of issues will be severely reduced.
    Same with any server lag caused problems.
     
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    I wouldnt have brought it up if I wasn't ready to host it myself. Many people do not spend nx on the cash shop, they buy it with mesos. You can still buy it with nx if you want. This is for untradeable items only and PURELY aesthetic. You wouldn't be required to join in, same as any other event.

    We choose to join GM events for the chance to win a nice item (sometimes untradeable). You choose to participate or not. I don't see why this event would be any different. You can CHOOSE to participate or not, instead of spending time, you spend nx.

    You make it sound as if it's mandatory to join the event. It's not. You can still choose to save it for gach, you can still buy your own clothes, you can still buy tp rocks and safety charms. This is literally just an event to have a chance at winning something like an untradeable chair, much like Russian Roulette (which I know YOU also join).

    Furthermore, looking from the poll results, there are a GOOD amount of people who would be interested in doing this and participating in this. One person even said they would start voting again, so I don't think participation is an issue.

    Some people host events every few days. This would be over the span of a few months AT THE LEAST. There is literally NO reason to bring up lack of staff support. That argument would be better applied if I was suggesting a daily event, which we sometimes already have.
     
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