Discard repeat offenders from our community.

No, I'm not referring to those who hack and get banned for "fast attack" (the system does away with them pretty well). I'm talking about the garbage on our server, ones who get themselves onto the community black list and still have the audacity to deliberately abuse the foundation of trust we have built in this server. From looting drops in boss runs without permission, or scamming unsuspecting players who put the trust into the seller for providing a service, these people are absolutely despicable. It's absolutely disgusting. And do you know what's the worst part. Not only are they repeatedly doing it, but these players, believe it or not, actually get away with it every single time. Yes, as you all may know, they do in fact lie in the community black list, where the average player can simply look up a name at ease just to ensure nothing bad happens. But what about for the new player, someone whom had just been scammed by one of these culprits? How do you explain to a newcomer in this server that there are actually people roaming around repeatedly looting, scamming, stealing, you name it! I emphasize: repeatedly.

Players. Moderators. Consider this. Do you not find it somewhat odd that a person who scams innocent unsuspecting players, loots items worth billions without permission, and overall destroys the trust we naturally present to each other over and over and over does not get banned, while an unenlightened player who decides to let his younger brother play on his own account (referring to this account sharing we have here) does get banned?

Overall, the point I'm making here is: just ban repeat offenders. They obviously have HEAPS of people who have been negatively affected by these delinquents and wrongdoers. GMs, you don't have to. In fact, you probably don't have to do anything. I just kindly ask you to keep in mind that me and a gigantic amount of other people would be very endearing if you would remove trash that continue to negatively affect people repeatedly over and over. Thank you for your time.

Note: I've never been scammed before on this server. Why would I make such a thread like this then? Simply put, I hate it when offenders get away with their crimes, even in a game, as funny as that may seem. It's heartbreaking to see people post threads about themselves getting scammed and then being replied with a "Well you should've checked the blacklist mate!" The fact that we have to check a blacklist, just goes to show how far we can really put our trust into people.

 

nah bro it's okay if u scam ppl and ruin the game for them just but if ur talking to ur frend and someone pretends to get butthurt that's clearly not a-okay.

 

There was something posted about this earlier

 

I've never seen that before, but I do admit it shows a good point. However, the point I was making was simply targeting repeat offenders, not covering the basis of the instance in which you make your own decisions from your own judgement. Hope that makes sense.

 

Repeat offences only make it more probable, it does not provide hard evidence that they did so.

On the other hand, someone being offended or hurt by words is something that is pretty clear cut. Please don't try to take two completely different situations and compare why they aren't handled the same way.

 

_"Hard to prove a scammer" is one of the stupidest reason I've ever heard. Six people in a group of party and 5 of them agreed to report a scammer that looted a skill book and ran away, if that happened you don't need to have a "Sherlock Holmes" logic skill to know HE IS A SCAMMER ! And the most simple solution is upload a video or provide enough screen shoots proof, if you demand it we will do it.
_ "We don't do refunds for user" I agree with this but the victims of the scammer only goal is to prevent them from scamming other player, most of the scamming reports are aim to Ban/Prevent the scammer and isn't for retreated what have been lost. And again, most of them are still roaming in the server.

_ Here is an example of what MapleRoyals will become if the staff don't change the consequence for scamming:
A: Hey bruh, lets go scam some people for fun if we lucky we can get tons of meso.
B: But brah, scamming is bad and it will get you Blacklisted.
A: Well but we won't get banned bruh, there was a guy who stole gene 20 and get away with it. Oh and the Black list ? Who cares, we just need to made another characters.
B: That's so cool brah, lets go and Rekt some Nubs.
_ In conclusion, we do not ask for a "perfect system scamming ban" we're just asking for a punishment to scammer, and if possible please made those punishment tougher so they won't repeat it.

 

All I want is for people to realize is that repeat offenders should definitely be taken into consideration to being removed from the game. No, I'm not talking about those who are verbally toxic (I mean, who cares about them). My main focus is directed towards those who scam large amounts mesos and loot items worth hundreds of millions in boss runs over and over. If an offender is reported literally multiple times and there are many players who can attest to the offender's actions, is it not obvious that a ban on him should be taken into consideration? What random amount of players would take the time to report that specific player and include screenshots + a fairly long explanation, with each report thread having comments that include people testifying to that offender's crimes?

 

It is simple to look up people you don't know to see if they have scammed or run off with a book. If there are that many reports, it is easy to just type their name in the search bar before starting the run. Please be more proactive about issues and recognize that we won't be able to do anything unless there is foolproof evidence. Refusal to be proactive about runs and searching forums before making purchases from unknown people can be seen as user error in my opinion. People have time to report after and ask for refunds, but not enough time before giving away their mesos or taking a complete stranger on a run. I avoid this by not buying arrows if I don't know the person and only going on runs where I know everyone or they are a friend of a friend.

TLDR: There are plenty of resources to avoid these "repeat" offenders and we can't do anything without concrete evidence. Word of mouth does not constitute concrete evidence (one of the reasons why explained below).

One other reason why people will not be banned when all we have is word of mouth because there can be instances where people fabricate stories to get people banned. There have been cases were people were upset for some reason and made up lies to try and get others banned.

 

_ So you are telling me, you guys believe a "fake story" rather than a player telling the truth ? This is the most ironic thing i have ever heard without judging.
_ "fool proof" evidences are usually well-edited story that are simply "not completed". A video on the other hand are harder to edit and even if a scammer can edited a video that everyone are fooled by it, he or she wouldn't wasted their time around a video game.

_ "concrete evidence" YES !! NOW WE ARE GETTING SOME WHERE. TELL US. DEMAND US, what do you want from players to "provide" to successfully prove a scam ?!! A Video ? A witnesses ? You people talking about "fake evidences" , "word of mouth proof" but you haven't give the player any information on how to properly report a scam to take the matter seriously Ban-able.

_ And @Jeen answer me this question : How come a scammer looted a Gene 20 mastery book that 99% of players agreed that he is a scammer except himself could and currently roaming around the server causing more and more scam reports without a consequences ?

 

First of all, I really don't appreciate your attitude, especially when I've taken the time to actually try and explain our stance on things.

When did I ever say we would believe a "fake" story? I said we wouldn't accept any story if there was no concrete evidence to back it up.

I also said, witnesses don't count has concrete evidence. There are people out there who will lie, unfortunately.

Unless I haven't made myself clear, anything that's only word of mouth won't be considered evidence. Stop arguing it.

I would assume a video would suffice as evidence, as long as it was explicitly stated in the video who should/shouldn't be looting, but require clarification from one of our admins as I am not at liberty to judge that.

As to your last question, he's walking around because there is no proof of him looting it. I don't care how many times you want to argue it, but if there is no proof (and we ultimately have jursidiction and guidelines about what qualifies) they won't be banned.

On a final note: Clean up your attitude before I lock the thread.

 

_ My attitude is based upon your answer, you simply just proved that no matter how many players reported or how "clean" the screenshots is there are no way we can prove a scammer. And you should seriously get in touch with the server more, that scammer is not an imagination of a few player or an individuals, AN ACTUAL GROUP of players agrees about it.

_ I will wait for the "jursidiction and guidelines about what qualifies". And I also apologies for my attitude, but among the GM your answers is the less useful and only raises more question and don't have any true point.

 

If you can't understand what I've said, then clearly there's not much more I can do for you.

Also, stop trying to insult me by implying I'm ignorant or dumb. I am neither and if you continue to try and take jabs at me (as this is not the first time you have) you will be given a vacation from the forums. Consider yourself warned.

 

Thank you for the reply. I'll just have myself take a different approach to this whenever the situation is at hand.

 

@Matt For clarification, would you consider the following to be sufficient to warrant a ban?

Boss Runs
1. Screenshot the entire party explicitly stating who should be looting what.
2. Video the third body before the drop animation until after all the items have been looted.
3. If the accused offender runs/logs off, show proof of multiple attempted contacts.
4. In each of the steps above, use the ~servertime command to distinguish between runs, unless the entire run was recorded in one video.

Leech/Store
1. Provide conversations held on the forums if any.
2. Video the entire transaction with both parties stating their terms of their agreement.
3. In the case of leeching, continue the video from step 2 until the end of leeching.
4. Show proof of multiple attempted contacts with ~servertime if the offender logs off.

*Multiple attempted contacts requiring to be several times during the week, NOT within 10mins to an hour since logging off.

Both methods should require the seller/party leader to provide their forum names in case the person who logs off is unable to reach the other person in-game for any reason. It would also ensure that the responsibility to contact the other party isn't on the victim(s).

 

Sounds like sufficient evidence to me.

 

Honestly though, if you have to go through all that just to be able to do something as trivial as a boss run, or even a simple trade, is it even worth doing?

This is a game. You play it to have fun. Having to go through all that completely ruins it.

 

I would like to give my opinion about this, let's focus on that fact since i can see that things are getting really hot on here haha

1. As i can see and understand about it, it is only consider by GMs as solid proof when even the most absurd argument agaisn't that would not be valid because it is too obvious that the scam was sucessfully completed, the reason of this is as Jeen said, someone that just are mad with someone for some reason, would maybe try to get him banned with some excuse, for example, a friend of my was victim of a person that just got really mad because Genesis 20 was not dropped by Zakum boss, so he took rage agaisn't him (that was in the run) judging him for looting it, and started to spam Smegas about it, what were the people reaction? "STFU about it and post it on forum", the result was a screenshot of my friend showing his inventory and proofing that he didn't got the mastery book, this is for let people know that there is people with bad intention that will try to get you banned with no fair reason. So just "random banning" anyone just because other player is saying it, is... you know, stupid. This is too for me saying that would be awesome GMs taking actions agaisn't those people.

2. But then ok. For a graph world this work. But come on, let's think about it, true, a single player calling about me as a scammer should not be taken as proof. But if there's about 10 players calling it (and i'm talking about 10 differents IP, so 10 differents persons) in 10 differents days (meaning that they're not just witness of the same issue) it doesn't worth any? and i'm not saying that this should be as the only proof for it, trade logs are a really useful tool, and what if they show that i was really lucky and in those 10 different ocations i was the lucky guy that took genesis 20, and sold it on 1b each, but even if 10 persons says that i'm scammer, i'm not? I can see that in this case witness doesn't worth any, and in my opinion this is not ok. Yes, is true that maybe this isn't 100% accurate, because yeah, world is big and there's a chance of me being a completly asshole and taking the hate of 10 different players, but if so, let's compare this to another serious infract of terms of service, the RMT, GMs can't proof 100% in most of cases a RMT issue, just following a suspect transaction (ex. David gave 10b mesos to Sebastian with no exchange from him) and that's enough reason for banning both of them, when this happens GMs ignores the fact that maybe David is a really good friend of Sebastian, or maybe they're couple, or maybe... I don't know, too many situations can be, and when they say it on ban appeal, GMs ask them for real proofs for it; so, if that happens there, why wouldn't it be here? i mean, rolling back to the situation above, a GM should come to me and tell me "Ok, you have been pointed by 10 different players to be a scammer, and there's many trade logs that contributes in this as you with a suspicious activity, proof the community that you're not a scammer" And if i'm innocent, pretty sure i would have alot of ways to proof this, even with some witness too! In this case, going back to point 1, means that those 10 players wanted me banned for some "x" reason, and actions should be taken agains't them. Also, i want to point that this is the first private server with a "black list" on it, i mean, for me this seems like if in my city would be a really big sign saying "Dude, if you see these thieves, run" and pictures of them there, but no actions from the police agaisn't it. This seems like a way for saying that server is partially with the scam fact, otherwise, the black list wouldn't exist because each member placed on it would be banned already.

Remember, again, this is based on my own opinion.