Manon Hoarding/Camping/Excessive Killing

I have the same opinion as yours, but I don't think we can tell people who feel a change doesn't need to be made to leave. People who want no change to be made have a valid opinion, but I do feel like we can find a way to make a change that won't impact the people who feel a change is unnecessary.

True, but there is a difference between someone using 1/12 skele maps and someone surfing all 12 channels until there are zero manons available for 4-6 hours. There is no argument to be made that the current state of manon is unplayable, but that is not to say it is restricting people from playing the game beyond what was intended. Imagine being a player who only is able to log on for maybe 1 hour during the weekdays. If you log in and there's no manons you are literally unable to do anything outside of hope and pray for a manon tomorrow.

 

Although incredibly frustrating, they're technically not doing anything against the rules. I also don't think we should change the game just to prevent one person from doing this like @Boshy said. In my opinion, it should be the community who asks that person to stop (which I know people already have asked. They also did say okay and acknowledged people's sentiments so I don't know if this is even still a problem?).

Either way, there are ways to discourage this action without harassing. In my opinon, one way would be to stop taking them on boss runs until they agree to stop hoarding manons, especially if they don't stop collecting after asking them not to.

On that note, have people even asked those people to stop hoarding? I don't see the point of this thread if people haven't even done so.

 

This is the optimal solution, and it would definitely show a certain level of maturity amongst the community if simply telling people to be considerate was enough to solve things like this. However, to my knowledge, someone who had around 100 elixirs was asked to stop and currently has around 150? I have no basis for that statement other than rumors. If the rumor is false I think that your solution would be ideal, however if it is true that they ignored being asked and even went as far to gather so many more, I think that warrants a small change.

 

Maplestory has always been about putting in the time.

If you want to reach 200, you gotta put in the time.
If you want to get an fm1 spot, you gotta put in the time.
If you want to get a present from the lovestruck king slime, you gotta put in the time.
and yeah, if you want to get a manon's cry, you gotta put in the time.

When did this suddenly stop being the case?

 

The person I reached out to agreed to stop. Maybe you should ask yours to do the same. And no it doesn't warrant change. You can do what these people who hoard are doing too. If they're choosing to camp, so can you. It might not be nice, but theyrr not breaking the rules in anyway nor are they hacking to get an advantage over people. If they want to waste their time camping a map for 4-6 hrs, then thats their deal. Furthermore, I know someone who has a lot of elixirs and they always share. Sometimes they even give it away if only one drops. But since people are so bothered by it, they agreed to stop.

TLDR: If you want it, work for it just like these people. Just because it's rude doesn't mean it's an excuse to try and change the game. That's entitlement imo and you guys can put in the same amount of effort that these people do for cries.

 

Why do people think they have any right to bosses? It's a competition not a handout. If someone is capable of having all 12 Manon maps on lockdown 24/7 (which no one is) why should they be mandated to share?

If you want a cry, you should at least be mentally prepared to camp and hold a map for 6 hours, which generally doesn't take that long unless you happen to be super unlucky and picked a channel where someone just killed.

 

This is not an argument against competition or against manon cries being somewhat difficult to obtain. This is a thread about potentially limiting the ability to monopolize manon for no real practical gain. A proposed change would not be to remove manon's cry from the quest to get dragon elixirs, but rather to limit one player's potential ability to make it quite the headache for others.

I see. However, I am not asking to have manon cries given to me, I am asking that my efforts to get cries are not fruitless. That being said, I do think everyone with the opinion that no change should be made have made an excellent showing.

 

Out of curiousity I looked up how many people have more than 50 dragon elixirs on 1 character, and the amount is really low.
I know it sounds like a lot for 1 player to have 100 or 1 player to have 150 of em, but in the end only 2 characters on this server have over 100 dragon elixirs and if you compare that to the amount of characters we have in total it's a really really small percentage.

With that said I think we're making the issue sound a lot bigger than it actually is, which makes me believe there really isn't any change needed.

 

To be honest my opinion has changed to this as well, especially after jeen has really reinvigorated my faith that simply asking players to be courteous will work well.

 

I think this really seals the deal. This thread has accomplished everything it set out to do.
1. (somewhat) raise awareness that hoarding manons could be a problem, but is not as big of an issue and some people including myself have made it out to be
2. long term solution in the plans for the new source (or maybe even sooner!)
3. a level-headed discussion that brought a variety of players with a variety of opinions to (to my knowledge) somewhat agree that hoarding should be frowned upon, but after seeing a very respectful discussion I think it proves that just being polite is more than enough at the moment.

So thanks guys. This turned out 1000x better than I expected. I think everyone can leave this thread with more peace of mind than they entered with.

 

How about we make it so we we need a drop from either Griffey or Manon. Give that other Mini Leafre boss some love. The poor guy's almost completely fogotten about outside of the few people who actually do the 4th job quest chain without the secret scroll. You're keeping the theme of the etc drop relevant and making a Boss like Griffey actually something more than a NX dropping piñata and splitting up the people to allow more players to be able to get what they need. Or maybe even dropping the NX drop on the boss. That will make it only wanted for killing by players looking to HT or gain access to HTPQ for genesis.

I'm all for nostalgia man. I'm closing in on 30, and have gamed my entire life. Believe me, I live my life wearing them Rose Tinted Nostalgia glasses from the minute I wake up to the minute i go to bed when it comes to games that hold such an important part in my life. But i recognize stupid decisions all the time. This was one of them. This was always a stupid thing that never deserved to exist. 20 channels back in the day, and i still struggled to find Manon Cry's even when hunting for hours on end. Here we have 12, and a even more emphasis added ontop of the boss.

 

Looks like there's no need to continue this discussion so I'll close this thread. Thank you everyone!