Swap 1h and 2h BW scroll loot tables.

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    I would like to propose swapping the loot tables for the 1h and 2h 60% blunt weapon scrolls. Currently these scrolls drop from the following:
    1h: Clang, Wild Kargo, Zombie Mushmom, Jr. Balrog, Manon, Stumpy, Lord Pirate, Mano , Timer, Trucker.
    2h: Chronos, Dark Nependeath, Mummydog, Dark Stone Golem, Zombie Mushmom, Jr. Balrog, Manon, The Book Ghost, Lord Pirate, Hogul, Skelosaurus, Timer, Deo, Pac Pinky,Knight of Oblivion, Duku.

    If you compare these two lists, you see that the 1h version does not drop from anywhere that is even remotely common to be grinded at, whereas the 2h version has tons of places that are regularly farmed. This is an issue because the only class that uses blunt weapons right now are Paladins, but their skills benefit using 1h more than 2h (bonuses for wearing a shield). As of right now, there is only a single scroll for one-handed bw for att 60% in the FM while there are hundreds of the two-handed version. I realize that Paladins are not all that popular, but this issue causes the people to do choose to play Paladins to have a horrible experience when leveling due to having access to no scrolls (unless you are funded and can afford event scrolls and such).

    I really do not see any downside to this since it puts the less popular scroll on the less popular mobs and the change itself would take less than 5 minutes to implement. Thanks for reading!
     
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    I think it makes more sense to have the more popular scrolls dropping from the less popular mobs to get people to actively hunt the less popular mobs?
     
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    In theory that is nice and it works to an extent I guess. However, when it comes down to only 1 class needing it, that 1 class being one of the least popular, and the less popular mobs being in places that most people have forgotten existed, you end up with that very rarely happening. Also, those mobs are only in the 40-60 level range which means that even when the Paladins out level the area they end up with no experience if they really want to continue farming them (let alone the abysmal drop rate since I was at clangs for many levels and didn't get a single one to drop). The only people who care enough to go and farm them would be the Paladins, but the market is driven by the majority, not the minority, and in this case it ends up with said market being almost non-existent. Also, if you look at the other drops for the mobs listed, even the other drops of the mobs have no draw to non-Paladins which means again there is no draw to farm them.

    Your idea would work perfectly for the more popular scroll of a popular class, since the demand would be high enough to warrant it, but when choosing between an unpopular scroll and a useless scroll, not so much.
     
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    I'd say just swap the Skelosaurus scroll drop and call it a day. That alone will flood the market with them.
     
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    I don't really see how swapping the loot tables with another scroll would be a good idea, as it would still affect the few players who do play a 2h blunt weapon Paladin (even if it aren't many, there's probably some). I would've rather seen a proposal to have added it to a different monster's loot table, but even then I don't think 1h blunt weapon scrolls are that bad to farm compared to let's say 1h axe scrolls.

    To give you a comparison between 1h blunt weapon and 1h axe scroll drop locations:

    Scroll for One-Handed BW for ATT (60%) drops from: Clang, Wild Kargo, Zombie Mushmom, Jr. Balrog, Manon, Stumpy, Lord Pirate, Mano , Timer, Trucker.
    Scroll for One-Handed Axe for ATT (60%) drops from: Tauromacis, Jr. Balrog, Manon, Tae Roon, Zombie Mushmom, Stumpy,Lord Pirate, Zeno, King Sage Cat.

    So both drop from a bunch of mini bosses but let's take a look at the farmable monsters instead:
    One-Handed BW scrolls drop from Clang, Wild Kargo and Truckers.
    One-Handed Axe scrolls drop from Tauromacis.

    I'm not trying to derail this into a buff one-handed axe scrolls droprate or locations thread, but I am trying to make a point that you could've had it a lot worse. (If you know how horrible Tauromacis are to farm, you will understand what I mean)
     
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    As for still affecting the few players who do play a 2h blunt weapon, technically yes, but that is only somewhat common at lower levels since in 3rd job you get skills to buff you if you use 1h+shield, whereas 1h blunt weapons are used throughout and especially at endgame (crushed skull).

    The difference between axes and blunt weapons is that while yes the 1h axe scrolls are arguably worse off than 1h blunt weapon scrolls, 1h blunt weapons are the more popular choice for Paladins, whereas 2h axes are the more popular choice for axe Heroes. So in a way, this just goes to add to my point that even axe Heroes have it better off than blunt weapon Paladins right now.
     

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