Hi all, Allow me to bring this to your attention. This topic may already be covered, if so please point me in the right direction. Anyway, I went to train to Voodoo's and found that many people are AFKing in the maps with their 4th job pet hold the map ownership for them. Please see the screenshot below as a reference. Anyway I monitored this for some time before killing any mobs and even tried communicating. No response. What are the rules regarding this? This player is blatantly abusing the fact that his pet is attacking once within three minutes (actually once every 10 seconds - the time it takes one to spawn and lure close enough) and he hasn't even had to have his monitor switched on. Can anything be done about the map ownership feature and eliminate the ability for your 4th job pet to count as activity? Thanks.
Summons don't hold or obtain mapowner so I'm not quite sure why this is being brought up. They have to come back and use an actual attack to retain ownership. They are allowed to be afk during the duration of their summon as it does not hold mapowner. They just have to be back in time to recast it. https://royals.ms/forum/threads/botting-at-voodoos.25371/
Thanks for the quick response. Well I'm afraid typing ~mapowner brings up his name and last activity time stamp to the second. Perhaps he's got a bot running that spams one chat channel which no one receives and that counts as activity? Long shot but just trying to think how this happens.
If he came back and attacked within 3 minutes, then it's still his map. He probably attacks at the same time that he recasts his summon to prevent people from trying to steal his map when he's obviously using it. Typing in mapowner doesn't give you mapowner either, you have to use an attack like heal or genesis so I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. Have you read the the thread I linked? He isn't required to respond to anyone while his summon is up and he isn't doing anything else. You can also search how mapowner works, there are many threads on exactly how it works and searching for it should answer your questions.
I read that thread. It seemed incredibly and unnecessarily hostile towards the OP. How are we supposed to prove they are AFK? A single screenshot does not seem enough evidence, so would a recording do the trick here? The thread states that maybe if the OP tried talking to the person, that will solve the issue. Please see the below screenshots of my attempt. What happens now? I am to just accept that this continues? Also, should this person return, and type ~mapowner and see me attacking (Why shouldn't I take advantage of the fact they're only afking ONE mob?) and report me, would I be liable to a ban?
After monitoring this for some time again, the spell is recast exactly one minute apart from each other which seems suspiciously consistent. What further evidence can I provide to support my cause?
If you have ss of the entire conversation (there is currently a gap from when you first started talking to them and your second ss) then we might be able to do something. For example, if there are multiple ss of you talking to them while using the server time command for an extended period of time + them recasting but not replying, then you could report them for botting. You need to raise the chat window significantly higher, and preferably have them overlap the conversation a bit, so that we can see that there isn't a response hidden in between ss. Unless you catch them recasting and have the servertime, then we would require probably at least 6min of servertime since most summons expire around the 3min mark. Having 6min would mean that it would be 2 summoning recasts without response which would be exhibiting robotic behavior. Alternatively, you could always use the ~gm command if you find anyone suspicious and a GM can check them out for you as well. https://royals.ms/forum/threads/new-report-abuse-format-for-ksing.57289/ This is the requirement for a KS report, so no they cannot report you successfully with a single ss. If they ask you to leave and you refuse, then yes you can be banned.
If you read the link that Jeen just linked you. In order to accuse someone of botting, you must continuously asking that person if he's not AFKing. Wait a couple minutes until he cast attacks again, if he doesn't reply you when he cast a spell, then that's your evidence of him botting. Otherwise this conversation is not going anywhere. And you do need to keep ss'ing with ~servertime or something to use as evidence.
Thanks again for your comments. There is one line of chat in both SS's that are the same which is the link, however please see the below SS for the full chat. I shall post a few ~uptime SS's when the skill is recast in a moment.
I'm not quite sure why you're uploading them here since this is not the proper place to report someone. Are you asking what is acceptable? Because the last ss you have is not since you aren't even in the same map and it does not have the server time in the chat to prove they were at the same time as your above ss. You should use the ~servertime command as it will leave a stamp inside your chat box, not uptime.
I admit I've lost track of my own thread. I never intended to use this to report this person, merely asking how it was that this person kept ownership. Now I understand how, I would like to ask if any actions will be taken to avoid this in the future? Edit: Jeen, I understand I didn't use ~servertime (Someone in the thread your linked said to use ~uptime and it wasn't commented on therefore I wasn't to know), however the time intervals are clearly stated.
Those ss would not be considered valid evidence. People may report it in game using the ~gm command or via the report abuse thread on the forums as they have been doing.
At the time I wrote to ~gm. May I ask what constitutes for sufficient evidence? Regardless, this hasn't answered my question, is this just going to continue? Everyone is happy with that decision yes? I'm happy with it tbh providing they don't then abuse the fact they're map owner and report for someone KS'ing them. Edit: I'm not happy with people being adamant of someone botting (and / or afking) any mob to then question it to only be shot down by the community (or a small part of it) because they lack the ability to convince said community. Edit: Also this particular example only cast Summon, not once did he swing his weapon nor cast any other spell. He isn't even facing the mobs in any of my screenshots or shown to be actively killing them. This begs the question that does the spell count as an attacking one such as Magic Claw? I assume it does however I'm not going to even pretend I know anything about the mechanics of the game / server. Even if this could be changed to not register as an attack, the "botter" (using this word loosely) would just macro any number of other skills. Does haste count as an attack? If so, one could caste haste to gain ownership and cast once per minute to exempt others from killing mobs while they are idlely passing time, and not attacking.
Jeen already gave you an answer as to what would be sufficient evidence. Couple of things: Using summons to kill mobs for you has always been part of the game and removing that ability would unfairly nerf some of the classes in the game. Botting is not allowed regardless of the situation and if you come across a botter you should definitely report them. The person in your screenshot was unresponsive enough to make me believe that they weren't recasting their summon by themselves and was dealt with accordingly. As for them keeping mapowner, I'm fairly sure they were using an attack but had hit the attack limit since they went into the knockback stance even without being hit by a monster (unsure about this; please correct me if I'm wrong).
Thank you Matty, regards to the knock back, I did see the knockback animation on the character however I must have guessed it was from casting the summon spell, again it's likely I'm wrong.
