There is a lack of AP resets in circulation in MapleRoyals

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    In my opinion, saying AP resets is a thing for the rich or a luxury is not absolutely true. The lack of AP resets and the huge demand for them is imbalanced.

    Discuss.
     
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    Well, most people tend to agree that washing is a bonus, you don't have to do it, so that's why they prefer the supply of resets not to be too abundant (i.e. dropping from Mobs). As a washer myself of course I'd like the supply to increase, but it can't be helped if that's the general consensus of most people.

    Though perhaps there could be some alternative, creative way to obtain them as well that does not favour farming. (Jump quest? PQ?)
     
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    Well, im hoarding a ton and waiting for them to inflate so, more mesos for me :)

    S> AP Resets 6m ea got 30+
     
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    Isn't "lacking circulation" for AP Resets a good thing? I mean for the past few month's their were tons of people who vote abused to obtain AP Resets. From this, we can see that their are getting less and less Vote Abusers. The high demand for AP Resets will also give newer players an opportunity to make some mesos. When I first started, one of the major ways to make ~mesos was by selling AP Resets. (10m / 24hr is actually decent) Summer is coming, which means that a flow of newer players would join the server. This should then balance out the "in-balance" of AP Resets.

    Benefits of "Lacking Resets"
    1. Recovering AP Resets back to original prices (5m+)
    2. Less Vote Abusers (probably)

    HP Washing as we know cost 'A LOT' since the very beginning. When they mean "a thing for the rich or a luxury", they aren't all wrong. Players who can afford to HP Wash had probably played for a fair amount of time before becoming "rich," therefore, in my opinion it's not for the "luxurious or rich," but rather players who played for a fair amount of time on the server.
     
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    Correct me if I am wrong but this is how I look at the situation in 3 points:



    The thing is, it is difficult to find these newer players who sell AP resets.

    Most rare and popular items are usually marketable are sold in shops, however there is no system to sell AP resets. Instead, many people save up NX for other things in the cash shop, and sooner or later they find saving up for Gashapons are better.

    Every few minutes of the game, you can see that people are spamming B>AP resets in super megaphones, this has even moved on to the sub forums.
     
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    There is only a lack of AP Resets to those who aren't willing to offer the right price. Everybody gets 8k NX a day so the option to buy Resets is ALWAYS there. Saying there is a lack of AP Resets is completely the consumers fault. Blame people insisting Resets are worth 5m.

    To most people the 5m pricetag people set for Resets is less than stellar, therefore there is no incentive for people to waste NX on Resets when gach is a much much better investment.

    Start offering 7m+ per reset and you will have more resets than you can handle. I've seen it happen.
     
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    I think expensive resets for washing is fine, but I feel an alternative for other uses would be a boon. Another server I saw has the option to reset all of your stats (barring int for non-mage classes) to allow easy changes of build (dexless to low dex sin0, luk -> lukless mage, etc.). I think this encourages multiple strategies and could slightly alleviate the 'pressure' on ap resets, if it exists. As the majority of ap resets are currently used for washing I don't think this change would affect pricing much, but rather add more depth to the game with trying different strategies.

    EDIT: wow that's written terribly, but I hope you understand what I was trying to convey.
     
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    That's really not a bad thing.
    You see only the fact that the ap resets were 4m lately is the bad thing cause they became too common , too many people were doing hp washing and they did it hardcore.
    And so, the demand went up... But it really shouldn't be that way!
    I mean 4m each is way to cheap, but as of last couple of days you can see how the price is going up, exactly because the reason you pointed out.
    So with the prices go up, some people will stopped to do hp washing, the rich people (who actually good enough to do hp washing) will get more ap resets and the poor will get more money for the ap resets they sell.

    Just my opinion..
     
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    4-5mil per AP reset is terrible money. Of course there'd be a shortage of people selling AP resets when the incentive is so poor.
     
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    I reckon if you said B> AP Resets 10m each you would have no trouble in finding them! :)
     
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    Yeah.. idk. People can get two AP resets a day, right? If they work at it themselves, they can get enough for whatever they want eventually. Plus I agree that if you buy the resets for more, it'd be easier to get them. I know I'd definitely spend my NX to sell them for 7 mill. (I'm still a noob ya know?)

    ~mesos
     
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    Ah, is that the GMS all ap reset. Reset all stats except ap invested in hp and mp. Some servers such as Destiny has an npc for it. Resets stats except for int and hp/mp unless you're a mage for 5m. So it regards to washing completely and saves a lot of nx for people. That would be super nice to make it, maybe a limit to buying and a fair cost?
     
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    I didn't read the other posts, but I just want to say this- if you want more AP resets in circulation, then you buyers best be raising the price. It's either that or gachapon rewards much all lose their value to balance it out. Currently gachapon is so much better an option than buying and selling AP resets.
     
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    Let's go back to basic, HP washing works best if you start as soon as possible. (but after 2nd job).
    Which would mean, that if we want players to be effective at bosses as soon as possible (not getting 1-hit knockout'ed), then AP resets should be avaible for the public and not just the "richer players", as soon as possible.
    As it is now, new players and especially the players, who are playing on their first character, don't have enough money to buy AP resets.

    For example, I'm a lvl 64 gunslinger, who has yet to buy a single AP reset, since equip takes up all the few mesos I make from selling NX.
    Wouldn't it be nicer, if everyone from the get go, would have a good shot at getting atleast one AP reset a day beside the NX one is given from each vote?


    What I suggest would be to give each account 1 AP reset a day. (How the AP reset is given doesn't matter, could be a quest reward for killing any mob 999 times, it really doesn't matter)
    Results would be, that new players AND old players would have a fair shot at getting AP resets. New players would have at least one AP reset a day which they could either use or sell to old players for a price that would be much lower, since the enhanced avaibility.
    And old players would, as previously said, now have the ability to buy AP resets for a much lower price.

    What do you guys think about my suggestion?
     
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    HP Washing is an option for players to boost their HP. You do not 'have' to wash in order to Boss. Back during pre-Potential in gMS, I didn't know about HP Washing until I was in my 140's, but I was still able to boss (without getting 1-HIT KO'ED). It's just recommended that you start washing at a lower level, BUT you could still wash at a higher level (120+). I know a few people in-game who started washing late.

    There are many methods to make mesos, not just by selling NX. (AP Resets, Teleport Rocks, etc..) Also "NOT EVERYONE" HP Washes (for example, Mages) so by giving everyone one AP Reset wouldn't change anything. It's true that AP Resets are high in demands right now, but it does not mean that we should provide "FREE AP RESETS(1/D)" just because people want to wash. Like I've said above, it's an option, or in some cases people call it a "luxury."

    O.T. Nexon themselves probably just made a mistake while coding the resets so HP Washing shouldn't even exist. The fact that it does, doesn't mean that you HAVE to wash.
     
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    At no point did I say you "have" to wash in order to boss.
    Some classes will have incredible benefits from washing, especially bowmen, corsairs, and assassins.
    I believe Bowmen are the ones that have it the worst, I know they are a minority, but ignoring them like this and calling their much needed AP resets a luxury is disregardful.

    I'm aware mages don't HP wash..

    I don't agree that it's a "luxury", HP washing was purposely left in the game. Nexon is stupid, but not THAT stupid. They were aware it was widey used for making bosses avaible earlier.
    The reason HP washing was purposely left in the game, was because nexon was greedy.
    When they discovered it, they realised money could be made, by letting weaker classes buy the ability to boss earlier, as some classes weren't able to boss before very late game.
    This is the reason the game is now based around HP washing, and you rarely meet a high lvl bowman who hasn't washed.
    I still think we need more AP resets on the market at a lower price, to not put some classes at a disadvantage.

    If anyone has a better idea than the one I brought you, then let us hear it. I'm all ears :)
     
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    I'd love to see long, hard, job-specific quests for permanent HP bonuses. Enough so that anyone can boss at a reasonable level without needing to wash.

    Some argue that this 'ruins' the gms-like aspect of a server like this...but what's wrong with fixing Nexon's screwups?
     
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    You don't need to wash to boss with hb and at a reasonable level. By 16x without washing you're going to be able to go to ht, and there really isn't any advantage to being able to ht at 120. If you wanted to loot a pendant or zhelm or [insert untradeable item here], that's what hp equips are for, as you'll likely hardly be helping in terms of dps at a lower level.

    There is a reason the extremely washed character I was working on (note the past tense) had Hubris for an ign, I felt that really summed up the 'purpose' of washing: self gratification and fulfillment.
     
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    AP resets are available to new characters from the very beginning anyway if they are willing to spend their voted for NX on it. They could have 2 characters if they wanted. One to grind and save up mesos to buy AP resets, and the other one to slowly HP wash perfectly.

    In my opinion giving away 1 AP reset each day doesn't seem like a good idea. People can get a HP reset each day if the grind and farm mesos and equips to get money to buy some AP resets.
     
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    You just wanna make the game easier. HP washing is known to be a VERY hard thing to do , and I think it should stay this way.
    Plus , you get 8k nx each day which could be used to buy 2 almost 3 ap resets each 24 hours.
     

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