New source in general

Discussion in 'Closed' started by DerekDiaz, Jan 5, 2017.

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Old Source Or New Source?

Poll closed Jan 12, 2017.
  1. Old Source

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    Ok let's just stop with the Mac bashing. There is a good reason they are more expensive and still sell way better then any other pc/labtop on the planet. If your a super tech guy who loves customizing all kinds of things and can use the command prompt like the back of your hand great PC is awesome for you. If you just want to be simple and don't want to hassle yourself all the time with advanced computer handling then Mac is the way to go no doubt. Sure if Mapleroyals is your main concern by all means go PC's! but many of us wouldn't make a computer buying decision over Mapleroyals.
    In other words, PC's have their pros and cons and so do Macs.
     
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    I wouldn't necessarily say that PC is for advanced users, Windows is pretty user friendly. My 61 year old mother can use a windows machine when she can't even figure out how to read the directions on packaging for a meal. But they do both have their pros and cons, Windows machines handle gaming better.
     
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    Your right that PC isn't just for advanced users, I was just trying to say that aspect is the advantage of PC over Mac, but in general Mac is way more intuitive, user friendly, and convienient.
     
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    Enough PC vs Mac debate, let's get back to the new source:

    This implementation is way too rough. Why weren't these changes tested on the beta server? Does the beta server actually not exist? Wouldn't it make sense to test all these changes and make proper changes before rolling out these weekly updates for a "new source" that is (currently) less stable than the previous source? Yes it would make sense to do that.

    Definitely a bad implementation. An abomination.
     
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    Well first, yes there was a beta server. A lot of testing happened, but as with anything there were unknown complications when transfering data over to the new source. Yes, its been a bit rough but they are coding everything from scratch essentially. Other servers generally just copy and paste code which isn't nearly as effective for custom content and stability. They was some stuff that couldn't be tested on the beta server though.
     
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    Honestly fm button removal is what got me hyped up to play. Maybe there will be some henehoes now and people would be more spread throughout in the game. When are we going to get players online info back?
     
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    Please don't spew junk if you don't know what you are talking about. By saying 'other servers' you directly mean all servers, which isn't true, not even close. The reason why 'new source' became what it is because the source got re-coded from scratch right before new year, or at least really close to it. Kevin most likely wanted perfect the code even more, but Matt also made a promise to release new source before new year. Oh uh, see what is happening here?

    There's a lot of blaming you can do because 'people didn't test open beta' but a lot of things that worked in Open Beta didn't worked now, which is because they restarted it from scratch, to perfect the code, which is actually a good thing to do. The problem is though that the new source got pushed (rushed?) because of the promise of releasing it before new year and probably the one that made the promise didn't wanted disappoint the users by delaying it even further, so it got pushed and rushed. To me in the 5 day maintenance the login servers got coded and whatever else worked. If you go to the Open Beta section and look for example at working skills you can see that much more worked in Open Beta, which doesn't work now. No, this isn't because it 'suddenly broke' but once again because they wanted perfect the code and restarted.

    Probably delaying it was the much superior choice than rushing a very early build of the new, new source build, but that's just me.

    EDIT: minor text fixes because people take my safety charms too serious.
     
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    don't tell people to not spew junk and write a paragraph of assumptions and half-assed conclusions
     
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    I already know its this, though. I only put it there because I do not have access to how it goes behind the scene, but I know enough how things work that this is the exact story how it went.

    What I just don't know is who nade the decisions, which is the 'based on observation' parts, since I can't prove its due to x or y.
     
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    It seems like half-assed conclusions and assumptions seem to be the norm in todays society. SAD.

     
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    Thanks to all the staff for working on this project and I hope royals can come back from this

    but

    why is registration/char creation not on top of the priority list? I mean, since all this thing started there are A LOT of people waiting to register even if the server is not properly working yet. Not counting the people that want to start fresh with the new sauce and make a new char. Yes, the server is still 2nd on gtop buy I think is something worth the concern.
    Let's make the server great again.
     
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    I believe a lot of the tools GMs would normally use to monitor the game aren't working as they should. These would need to be working correctly before an influx of new players join us.
     
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    Well, people like me are here waiting, and will be here still even in 2 months if you need that much to make the game even a bit more playable.
    Still though, i have to agree that i'm a bit concerned on the way staff prioritizes things. There's a lot of core stuff that's being ignored like cash shop, character creation, mob spawns etc. I mean, from what i understood Kevin is doing most of the work because he's the one that knows coding the best, right? If all these skills/quests fixes are also done by him, then why make him spend time on this not-so-important, tier 3 things if he could be focusing on core aspects of the game in order to make it more playable earlier?

    Cash shop is a huge part of the game, tons of items that are used on daily basis can be purchased only from there. AP Resets are pretty much the third currency of the game right after chaos and white scrolls. Gachapon tickets, megaphones, teleport rocks, stores (especially now with 30 day limit). Trading is also a huge part of the game and since it's fixed you will clearly see a big improvement in amounts of people online from now on. I mean staff obviously, because currently the amount of players online is hidden, most likely as it's very low and would be just another reason to quit the server for a lot of people. Either way, daily votes is a good way to determine how many people are still sticking to the server and ready to jump in whenever it goes 'playable' mode. Since the update vote count dropped from 2400 to 1000 daily and i estimate it to stay on 1000 for a few days since trading is enabled, perhaps even increase a bit. If you put that on timeline, you will see that every day a few people are leaving the server, maybe not completely - maybe they will come back as well, that's not the point. Every day also, a few people are ready to join, but registrations and character creation weren't fixed for soon month and a half.

    I've never run a private server but i can only imagine it's a bit like running a business. After all keeping people playing the game is kinda like keeping customers to stick with you and buy your products, which is something i do for 3 years already as i run a business of my own. I really think that if indeed, all the work currently is done by Kevin - you should let him focus on most important aspects of the game, especially registrations and character creation so people can join the server. Even if 3 people leave every day, that 1 person that joins every 1-2 day will make loses less painful, and your work more efficient.

    For now, we can play the game without buffs and side quests. The only quests that should be made sure to work are job advancement ones, and the only skills that should be made sure to work are the most used attack spells. Hell, who cares about Shadow Partner? Surely, it is painful to play night lord without the core buff that pretty much doubles your damage, but ask yourself if you can play the game without it. Obviously, you can. You can't play the game though, if you're getting stuck in a riding quest skill map. Stuff like this and cash shop/registrations should be fixed first, instead of focusing on skills/quests.

    After all, if Kevin has a limited time that he can spend on working on fixes then he should be spending it on the most important things.
     
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    As for your first point in regards to how things being fixed are being prioritized it has already been mentioned numerous times. Kevin is the one coding all the core functions the smaller things such as quests and npcs are being dealt with by Matt/Andreas and those that are on the developers team with less experience. Currently since Kevin is the one that wrote the script from scratch he's the only one able to work on the core functions.

    Cash Shop is probably the least important skills because it doesn't in anyway cause as much of an impact as core skills/bosses not being able to be done which is what is being fixed as you can see from every update that has been done a lot of the jobs are having their core skills being fixed and very few are missing some at this point. Chances are the cash shop will only be implemented after everything else necessary has been taken care of.

    Registration won't be back until the game is up and running in a smooth function in order to keep potential new players from being discouraged after joining the server. All your points although valid have already been discussed numerous times in the last 6 weeks.
     
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    How would it look to a new player who joins and sees that nothing is working? Think they are going to stick around, or instantly drop royals for a different server? It's pretty obvious why they are repairing things in the order they are.

    After most everything is back in working condition, and character registration is back, Matt has already said they have plans to start new efforts to market and advertise to bring in new players.

    As for debating that cash shop is more important than fixing core skills like shadow partner, I don't agree with that at all. Whats the point in ap resets, etc, if I can't even play my character properly?
     
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    Yes, if there only was a public beta testing server available for everyone for a year...wait a minute
     
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    I just want to say the FM button removal is fantastic. Puts the game more in line with the original. Whens 1x exp?
     

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